North Korea threatening to attack Guam

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  1. Mac-7

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    The klan is a made for tv hoax by the anti trump liberal news media

    Don't hold your breath or bet the rent money on them ever having any power in America when they represent less than 1 tenth of 1 percent of Americans
     
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    The US could virtually destroy the NK army from the air. This wouldn't be the land battle we had in the 50's.
     
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    No, not the same sort of land war as 1950 - 1953, but likely with same number of effort necessary and same number of losses on US side too!
    Of course is NK equipment older and not the latest one in majority ... some rumors tell that inside their tank fleet are still some T-34/85 tanks ... but their ground based Air Defense is very hard to eliminate and they can really bite back ... even towards Stealth!
    And about the missiles, please note that US Airpower was neither 1991, nor 2003 able to destroy all the mobile Scud launchers and other sort of longer range missile launchers. The mad midget has not only a multiple time more of these Scuds, but a bunch of other missile systems which Saddam never had.
    I can go on further in detail about, for example the 10-15,000 artillery pieces they have, but let me end the post with the hint of topography of NK! This is not Iraqi desert area, but a country which is widely like the Appalachians and Blue Mountains of the USA!
    Of course can NK alone never win against the USA, but they can cause heavy losses to the US and bite heavy back ... and it will be a real nasty bloody war!
     
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    Yes, but they have no way to hit us as long as our front line military find proper shelter.
     
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    Well ... questionable, because only with Air Power you win no war and here you eliminate for sure not enough that it will be for ground forces a military walk in after. Also NK is able to shelter enough stuff and they are prepared for this since 60 years. Think only about the countless numbers of caves and tunnels and bunkers they have to do so!

    I am deeply interested and investigate since about 20 years into artillery and tank warfare and have also some good contacts build up.
    In 2010, the NK artillery plastered a SK island heavy in a dispute and this was a serious crises at this time. As far as my serious sources tell, the fire blast of the NK artillery was so unexpected by US and SK forces, that they didn't note the preparations of NK for it, nor locate them really fast enough and then all NK guns were away... and here we talk not about self propelled pieces of type like the US M-109 Paladin on NK side, but about Truck towed 152mm howitzers from WW-2!

    However, pleaee don't understand my posting(s) not as defense for this mad midget and garden dwarf! As previous written, will NK for sure not win, but I warn everyone to believe, that this is an easy task ... and something what one wrote some month ago about like "2 weeks Air Raids and cruise missiles and then it is over" is totally nonsense and will not be!
     
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    Let us hope that you don't view my country as one of those two.
    The reason you had a predominantly land battle in the 50's, is North Korea owned the skies.

    The reason you had a predominantly land battle in Iraq, was because owning the skies, wasn't enough.
     
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    That depends on which country is yours

    Are you referrin to the Korean War from 1950 to 1953?

    If so you are mistaken

    America owned the skies after the first 9 months or so to the end of the war
     
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    Where was SAM alley, please, Korea or Vietnam?
    Google is being unhelpful.
    Wiki says in 1951 that at one point, the USAF was outnumbered over 10:1.

    USAF lost roughly 2 planes for every enemy one destroyed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Aerial_warfare

    I think Top Gun school of Tom Cruise fame is a direct response to the failure of US pilots in that war.

    According to Wiki, North Korea ran out of buildings for the USAF to bomb!
     
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    Kinda vague there.

    If you mean China's own expansion.They are hemmed in by Russia, India and Vietnam. None of them are likely to move out of China's way. The South China Sea is not going to become a Chinese lake because of a couple of man-made islands..

    If you mean N Korea's expansion, China is not going to support any crazy effort by Kim to take the South. They would gain nothing but disaster. They would sooner cut off all exports and let him fall first.

    There are plenty of people in N. Korea who would like to be on that firing squad.
     
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    Yes that is quite plausible knowing that economic sanctions could cripple their economy.
     
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    You thinking of MIG alley?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG_Alley
     
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    From somewhere they get delivered goods and that 90% of their foreign trade with China takes place is ... Whom China says "no", then it becomes economically gloomy in NK, or not?
     
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    Yeah I saw that when I was looking at it too.
    But I'm specifically after SAM alley.

    I probably picked the term up off an old war movie somewhere.

    I am very much more interested in aircraft vs air defence than I am plane vs plane.
     
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    Do you know what a "cat's paw" is? IMO Korea could be diverting attention from the China Sea issue, and even softening up the US to make a deal regarding Chinese rights there.
     
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    ... Since the US is dependent on the participation of China, there is no way to really put pressure on China (except for the fact that a war in China ends in a disaster for both, and China is economic too strong and too important for it), Trump has smashed here a bunch of porcelain with China and still does further!
    Does not just make a high IQ at Trump likely, because if I need someone as a partner in the case A, I do not kick in his but as cases B and C!

    Therefore, it is quite unlikely that the assistance of China in matters of NK is for free ... is the question at what price, not whether the US costs something ... for example, maybe a recourse of Washington to this idiotic thing with the islands?
     
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    The real test will not be if the US goes to China for assistance, but what will happen when Kim does something really stupid, goes to China for help and does not get it.
     

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