Not Just George

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    It doesn’t stop till the stench of slave supporting traders are relieved of notoriety. Maybe the right can then go to Germany and Italy and tell them....in the interest of history, restore Mussolini Drive and Hitler Avenue
     
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    There is a difference between remembering questionable history and glorifying it.
     
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    My point was that projecting the proclivity of one cop or even a small handful toward violence, being influenced by racism, or doing wrong as generalized to all cops is operating under the very same premise of prejudice that is applied to people of color, a premise, most consider wrong thinking.
    In both cases, what many fail to understand is all people are individuals, subject to all that means. As MLK put it long ago, people should be judged by their character, not some arbitrary attribute like skin color or the wearing of a badge.
    The more people think in terms of skin color, job type, uniform, etc. as defining a criteria for judging who is Us vs Them, the more people see the Them as the enemy, and the more behavior considered unacceptable among Us is selectively rationalized against Them.
    In a house where we all live, burning it down to excise the ‘them’ burns the house down for ‘Us’.
     
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    ou perfectly illustrate two things that need to change in American society.
    1. Your callous disregard for why there is so much violence within the black community.......which in a larger sense contributes to it.
    2. Your willingness to accept, unchallenged, what you hear on liberal media sources.
     
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    Neither Washington nor Jefferson fought against the United States. Why is it so hard to understand, The confederacy fought to break up the United States in order to preserve slavery. The emancipation proclamation declared slaves were free men.in 1863 after to Washington and Jefferson. They didn’t try to break up the union to preserve slavery.

    You think we should honor the names of people who fought agaisnt the freeing of slaves ? Well, do you ?
     
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    I served in the armed forces for ten years, active duty during the VN war as a medic. I’ve seen more blood then most. I then was a cop for ten years. I swore an oath to serve and defend the constitution in both. You want to compare notes ? I put my life on the line in defense of every American regardless of color and I depended upon others of every race who did the same. You think it was fine for a black man to serve in war then come home and listen to this bigotry and tripe
    Fk no.
     
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    I saw the video yesterday. He ran about a block from the cops. Had to be tackled from behind.

    As per your link, he had emphysema and recent meth use. So you have a combo like that and have him sprint from the police. He did it to himself.

    As for the cop's response of "I don't care", it's likely that he thought the guy was bullsh!tt!ng. He obviously could breathe well enough to sprint away from the cops.

    It's unfortunate that he died, but the cops didn't kill him.
     
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    Btw, I’m not impressed that you think you need to learn our history from a street or building name that glorify someone who fought to, not preserve the constitution, but to break it up in the name of slavery.
     
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    Sounds like you’re the last person we should go to for a medical emergency., The police are not in the job of killing people who are restrained already.,
     
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    Where is the bigotry?

    What about the riots, protests, calling cops pigs.. shooting cops.. looting. BLM was based on a lie - hands up, don’t shoot was a lie. The obama administration with eric holder found no wrongdoing in mike brown case, it was all a lie.

    The fact is that i actually care about black lives. I’m a latino immigrant who his best friend in college was black. You talk about bigotry and tripe... the BLM and liberals are lying about america being racist and cops being bad, seizing on rare incidents like what happened to floyd to push their bigotry and vitriol. They are inciting racial tensions and dividing the country, based on lies and diverting from the real issues that they don’t have the courage to take on.
     
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    Thanks for chopping the rest of my post to make a rather obvious point. You do know that others can read the whole thing, though ...right?
     
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    in almost every case, these people are either resisting arrest, being violent or presenting a threat. The whole hands up don’t shoot was a lie, mike brown assaulted the cop and tried to get his gun. Freddie gray tried to flee, eric garner resisted arrest, so did floyd. Lamont scott had a gun and refused to drop it after being told to do so 14 times.

    it doesn’t mean they had to die, police in some of those cases (not with mike brown or Lamont scott) went overboard and used excessive force. Why, though, are these people putting themselves in these situations? Fleeing, insulting, resisting, being a threat (holding a freaking gun)? I have been stopped by cops around 8 times (mostly minor traffic offenses) in my life.. never have i argued with them, acted aggressively.. i’ve obeyed and once i got arrested (driving while impaired) and obeyed every command. Who knows if i would be alive today if i had held a gun like lamont scott or tried grabbing a cop’s gun like mike brown or resisted arrest or tried fleeing... maybe i would be dead. WHY THE F DO PEOPLE PUT THEMSELVES IN THESE SITUATIONS? It has nothing to do with color of their skin!! It has all to do with behaviour!
     
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    You’re welcome.
     
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    Keep posting and making my point.
     
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    And you make my point by being unable to refute facts and resorting to ad hominems. Unable to defeat the argument so you have to go after the messenger. That’s the tactic of the left.. you fit right in.
     
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    If they were facts you’d get no response. BS seldom needs anything but an eye roll. Btw, you need to quote me where I said that cops were all bad. I was one for ten years. I really don’t care what your race is. The problems the black community faces is as much a result of poverty and lack of opportunity.
     
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    refute my points then, but you don’t.

    poverty and lack of opportunity is a problem but who’s fault is it? Are white people holding a gun to these black people and forcing them to have kids as teenagers? Stopping them from going to school, forcing them to resort to crime? It’s culture, the family is broken, it’s all their own fault. Look around, most black people who get an education, obey the law, work hard and hold themselves accountable do well. The ones who don’t get an education, resort to crime and blame others don’t do well. This is just basic. What needs to happen is we need to change the leaders of these cities, many of whom are black. They don’t do anything about crime, they don’t do anything about school system, they don’t even try to encourage parents to raise a family abiding by strong values.. they do nothing and brainwash people into believing it’s the white man. It’s all lies..police brutality? Only 10 unarmed blacks were killed last year, there are 45 million blacks in this country, police are not the problem.
     
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    Your entire rant Is based on being black vs white. It’s totally absent of any context and imo, is entirely race bias. You think electing a white mayor for a black city solves a problem ?
    Rediculous. There are pockets of white poverty in every major city in the US with the same crime rates run by white people.

    It’s about the systemic reaches of poverty and lack of available education. It’s found in poor white, the American Indian and every race. The difference is, the numbers are not as big for one big reason....racial bias.

    We have an entire subculture that CELEBRATES the founding of a portion of our wealth, totally dependent upon slavery. You should ask, why are there so many poor whites in southern states who could never dig themselves out of poverty once they were forced to abolish slavery ?
     
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    On the contrary and you have to spin my arguments to try to discredit me. The whole white vs black narrative from the left is precisely what i'm tired of. It's the the democrats claiming this is a white vs black issue, that racism and police brutality are the reason for what is happening in inner cities. ALL BASED ON NO FACTS. The left keeps making every issue about race, black vs white and police brutality and never do they actually speak the truth and try to actually address the real issues. Because of this, nothing ever changes. At the core of my argument is that this is NOT a white vs black issue but all to do with people's choices and culture.

    Who said that? again spinning my arguments in an attempt to discredit me because you cannot discredit my position. I never said they have to elect a white person. The white mayor of Seattle is as bad as the mayor of Chicago and she's white. It's the liberal scheme of brainwashing all blacks to believe all their problems are cops and white people, this does more harm to blacks in inner cities than anything i can think of. Imagine you are a young black kid and you have your leaders telling you that you cannot succeed because you are black, that you need to be scared of cops, that you are somehow inferior to white people... it's demoralizing and basically creates a mob of angry white hating, cop hating people, based on LIES. How about a democrat or a conservative (doesn't matter what color their skin is) who actually advocates for school choice for kids, who tries to clean up crime, who encourages parents to instill right values in kids, i.e.,tell blacks that they are every bit as equal as whites and that white privilege is BS, that if you educate yourself, work hard, abide by laws and respect cops you can be every bit as successful as a white person. EVEN BECOME PRESIDENT.

    NOT BASED ON FACTS. It's culture. Why is it that black immigrants do better than african americans? There is a complete breakdown of culture in inner cities and it has NOTHING to do with racial bias. Too many black kids in these inner cities are raised poorly, kids don't go to school, they consider gang banging cool and resort to crime early. It's a devastating and destructive cycle from generation to generation, self inflicted. Asians, as a whole, are doing better than whites? WHERE IS RACIAL BIAS THERE? Because Asian culture is very different. When you fail to admit that these are the biggest problems you don't help anything, because you divert to non-issues of race. No matter what the color of your skin is, if you don't go to school, commit crime as a young person, fight with cops... chances are, you will be a failure. On the flip side, if you get an education, work hard, obey the laws, chances are, you will succeed, color of your skin doesn't matter.

    This i a big part of the problem, this type of thinking. Slavery knows no color. Let me educate you. Slavery is part of human history, for thousands of years, thousands of years before America had one white person on the land. When people like you bash America because of history of slavery then you should also bash the world and every country, even Africa. Did you know it was Africans who first sold slaves to europeans??? Yes, Africans tribal leaders had black slaves and sold them to white people, this is how it all began. Do you also bash Africa? are you asking Africa for reparations? Slavery is not unique to America, it didn't start based on racism, it was economic opportunity, they initially didn't care whether slaves were black, yellow or white, just so happened Africans themselves offered slaves for profit. To hate the Country because of it's past of slavery is devoid of knowledge of history because then you should hate the world and Africa too, but when you make it about race, it is, IMO, racist within itself.
     
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    It was murder.

     
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    Slavery here is unacceptable as is any glorification, even if it’s hidden in “ history”.

    Nope. The same attitude towards slavery here mimics the worse in others including Nazi Germany which used slave labor. It’s “ two America’s” where Trump can defraud college students and charities and get a fine but let a black man forge a check, and he’s in for months waiting trial or worse.
     
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    Where have you been ? Parts of America are as racist As they have been for decades. This is a water shead moment for only one reason. With Trump, as their head, the gop could lose the next election in a land slide. You have only to look at Georgia PRIMARIES to see what lengths Republicans will go to keep the nation divided and a white minority rule. Trump and the gop will pull out all the stops.
     
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    meaningless statement, irrelevant to any of the points i make.

    Be careful when you bring Nazis into the conversation. The Nazis started the war on jews by accusing them of having all the wealth and power, that they were the 'evil' ones at the top. Sound familiar? The way the democrats talk about rich whites is eerily similar to how nazis started their war on Jews. You also have democrats who are openly anti-Semite in congress and Lious Farrakhan who is beloved by many on the left, is an open anti-semite and calls for the end of Jews.

    yes, white wealthy people get away with anything. Is this why Bernie Madoff will die in jail? Elizabeth Holmes faces 20 years? Martin Shkreli jailed? Man, so many rich white people evading jails... and how about OJ Simpson? clearly murdered two people in cold blood and if true that criminal justice system is so racist, he would've been locked up for 100,000 years, he killed two white people. The criminal justice system let a cold blooded murderer go free
     
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    where have YOU been? racism is not even a a 'thing' anymore, it's the left that cannot let it go as they defeat the opposition by accusing them of racism. The left is SCARED to death of racism ending, they have sharpened the weapon of racism (perceived racism) to perfection... it cuts by just looking at it. They cannot let it go. Imagine if everyone realizes that racism isn't really an issue anymore, HOW will democrats run campaigns? they have no policies... and they have destroyed black communities after running them for decades. They have to hide behind the perception of racism.

    Watch out... the silent majority is sitting back watching protestors riot, bring down statues, forcibly take over city blocks, kill police officers, kill their own and destroy millions in businesses, many owned by blacks. The blacks supporting Trump is increasing, the polls show it and i see it all over. Blacks are getting tired of being spoken to like they are stupid, being told how to think, being told that they should not VET any of the democratic policies and just vote democrat because the other party is racist. Blacks are getting sick of all this, i hear it, i see it... at the gym, at work, in the neighborhood.... but the majority are silent, the loud violent ones are the ones we see making noise, let's wait and see come election, when the silent majority speaks out.
     
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    Educate yourself ? Do you have a book on calculus you can magically educate yourself ? No one, absolutely no one educates themselves.
     
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