Our big dumbo in office Obama recently said that he will ask Israel to give up land won in the 67 war to the Pals. Why should Israel give up an inch of land when the Arabs who are their cultural etc equals not be required to give their own people land? Israel has already absorbed all the Jews who have relocated and now is expected to absorb all the Palestinians refugees as well!? Prime Minister Netanyahu said Israel could not negotiate with a newly constituted Palestinian unity government that includes the radical Hamas movement, which refuses to recognize Israels right to exist. Who in their right mind could blame him? Hamas is a group whose stated purpose is to destroy Israel. Our country should cut off all aid to any Arab group including the Palestinians and negotiations until Palestinian recognizes Israel. When pro-terrorist or pro Arab people here in this board claim that the Six Day War was Israelis fault its obvious that they are brainwashed, intentionally lying, or just being like malicious children, knowing that their cause is lost*** so they just want to argue. It's that simple. Israel had warned then Egyptian President Nasser, Any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war. The Israelis made preemptive strike after Egypt blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba. That was only the trigger of war, the reason was a huge buildup against Israel that had gone on for more than a year"**. *Egypt was a pawn of the USSR who btw encouraged and exploited a destabilization in the region. Most of the twenty somethings of today do not know the atmosphere that existed in the cold war. Cold war tensions also played a part in the 67 war. The soviets also provided military and economic aid to Syria in order to endanger Jordan and Iraq while increasing the threat to Israel. **(Tigay, 1980) *** The lost cause is giving the Palestinians land they do not deserve. Let their rich in land and oil dollars give the Pals a homeland, they can afford it in dollars and in land, Israel can not. The so called Six Day War began with a preemptive attack by Israel on June 5 1967. While the blockade by Egypt of the Gulf of Aqaba (announced on May 22nd 1967). The blockage that triggered the war was only one part of a the obvious build up that I mentioned. Long story short Israel Gods chosen people destroyed the attackers just as they had in biblical times. This time they used jet fighters and modern arms as an extension of Gods will instead of trumpets to bring down the walls of Jericho. Israel after winning gave back the Sinai Peninsula through the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty. However, I think most will agree that asking a country to give up land won in a war is in most cases not reasonable. Now Israel is being asked to do it again! Israel should not give up more land. America should heed the lessons of history and stay on the right side of this issue, which is to support Israel at all costs. That means that if you are a Christian its your duty to put political pressure on our government to support Israel just as fervently as you do! You should write your congressman and anyone that can apply political pressure against Obama if he continues his anti-Israel overtones. Rev A
Hi Gator, I believe he is, but he is wisely keeping it in the closet. The link (below) is a very old one (before he was elected) but it is still very relevant with some great tid bits; Arab-American Activist Says Obama Hiding Anti-Israel Stance Anti-Israel activist said Obama was a regular guest at events for "Palestine" in the past decade and is hiding his views in order to get elected. In an article he penned for the anti-Israeli website Electronic Intifada, Abunimah wrote: "As he came in from the cold and took off his coat, I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, 'Hey, I’m sorry I haven’t said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I’m hoping when things calm down I can be more up front.' He referred to my activism, including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy 'Keep up the good work!'" Read more at; http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125656 Rev A
Sad that too many Jews think that any one who wants a just peace and the survival and prosperity must be Israel's enemy. Notice that Bibi has NEVER said JUST PEACE.. he only says DEFENSIBLE Peace. That must be why he calls Obama a J Street Jew.
"just peace" meaning Judenrein Palestine and Arab majority Israel (after the so called right of return is implemented) for a time being...until Israel is also Judenrein, right? Do you think anyone has a shred of doubt that this is exactly where your version of "just peace" is leading? Forget about it. No right of return and defensible borders is the just formula for the Israelis, Netanyahu is 100% correct on this one.
Sounds like you have no concept of Just Peace. Pity. J Street | The Political Home of the Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace Movement http://jstreet.org/
Why? I sure do. Defensible borders, financial compensation in lieu of the right of return to arab refugees and their descendents, financial compensation in lieu of the right of return to millions of Jewish refugees from the arab lands and their descendents. How is that for just peace?
If the European refugees were going to buy land or offer compensation to the Palestinians , they should have done so 60 years ago.
LOL, so much for "just peace". Thanks for once again showing the true colors of the Israel hating mob. It's quite obvious that in your mind "just peace" = no Israel.
RevA i fail to see what you want. Here you don't want Israel to return to pre-1967 borders, but you do not speak of the Palestinian population that currently resides in those Areas. If Israel plans on keeping the west bank, please tell us what it wants to do with the Palestinian population? I am confident your answer will qualify exactly what your extremist point of view.
You don't hate Israel? LOL You and your ilk practically live on this website (and probably a few others) doing nothing else but bashing Israel all day long, non-stop. You people are obsessed with Israel and your hatred, some of you clearly have no life at all, anonymous anti-Israel cyber-jihad is your only pastime. As to the essence of your post, these "dumb" choices have been keeping Israel alive and prosperous for the last 63 years. I doubt your "smart choices" would have.
Israel is still killing Palestinians, stealing land, in conflict with all the neighbors and on the dole.. NOT smart.
Israel is still killing and will keep killing Palestinian terrorists who do often hide behind civilians, fire rockets from school yards and keep weapons caches in hospitals. and it's Israel's neighbors who are in conflict with Israel, it's the Egyptians who ransacked the Israeli embassy and demand the dissolution of the peace treaty, its the Turks who interfere in Israel's affairs, tried to run the blockade which is legal and kicked the Israeli ambassador out, not the other way around.
True Borat. If I were the Arabs other than the Palestinians, and I will admit I do not know what their real goal is other than a homeland, but the other Arabs have already shown their hand many times. They want to destroy Israel. I am sure the anti Israel Arab nations are anticipating with a wolf like mentality the day that Israel forfeit’s the land she won. You are correct in stating that if Israel allowed the Pals to thieve by extortion the land she won in blood her nation will become almost indefensible! By almost I mean that she could always use tactical nukes to repel an attack but that would be deadly not only for her enemies but for the world. What truly angers me is that anyone could claim that Israel will not be harmed by giving up strategically important land! Israel would only be nine miles wide in some areas if she agreed to the current demands by Palestinian friendly nations authorities, and other wolf like interests. Israel has already returned some land won in war such as the Sinai and so now it should be the Arabs turn to give some land to their cultural brothers and sisters. NEWSFLASH; It will not happen! Why won’t it happen? Because the Arabs don’t have land to spare? No. They have 400 times the land mass of Israel. Is it because the Arabs don’t have the money. NO. Many of the Arab nations are wallowing in oil money. Israel is near bankruptcy. The real reason the Arabs will not be giving the Palestinian people a home land is because that gift would not advance their covert motive (to ultimately destroy Israel). It’s that simple. Rev A
Then the Arabs should give the Palestinians a homeland. That should make peace break out all over! Rev A
Turkey Iran and Syria done the same to Kurdish lands in 1923 and you praise them and deny kurds the same right for a state (even though your view means nothing) ! you are a hypocrite nothing more . and turkey killed 7 civilian kurds few weeks ago i did not see you cry about it !?
really ???? is it now ??? lol . this is joke of the day . on the other hand i wish peace between our Jew and Palestine brothers they have been in conflict for a long time its time for peace and after them its kurdistan .
Israel is doing the SAME THING that every other nation on earth has done. You go to war. One side wins one side loses. The winning side dictates to the losing side terms. Not the other way around!! Despite what the goofy UN says. However the Arabs who soundly criticize Israel will not give an inch of land to their Palestinian brothers and sisters! Nor does the UN have a plan other than extorting land from tiny Israel who btw has already given up the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt after winning it in war! How hypocritical bigoted and unethical is that? Its called a double standard, Israel is expected to do something that no other nation on earth is expected to do i.e. Give back land won in war! Why? I will tell you why. The world hates Gods chosen people! That is true today and in the history of the Jewish people and nation of Israel. So when Israel balks at giving up their land to what has been a historical enemy the PR/propganda goons attempt to turn it around and blame Israel. Only the stupes believe the propagandistic BS that is regurgitated out from UN and other Israel hating sources. Most are simply terminally naïve and actually believe that Israel is the bad guy, and its because of that fact that I do not have a really bad attitude against them (ie you and the other usual suspects here at PF). As an Ex Psyops guy my hat is off to the terrorists or whoever generates that top quality propaganda operation. They are equal to the group that fooled the world about Nam. So that is where it stands. I was watching the news, they were talking of another attempt at statehood using the UN. The USA will veto it post haste. So I suggest the Arab neighbors if their motives are pure to get off their butts and give their Arab brothers and sisters ie the Palestine’s a homeland. That is the ONLY peaceful option left. Rev A
No Bograt, you evidently have a comprehension blockage. People here opposed to Israel are opposed to the government of Israel, and the actions and policies of the government. Naturally you feel this need to be hated because it reinforces your position. If people didn't 'hate' you, you wouldn't have anything to whine about. 'Cyber-Jihad'
There are laws of warfare and occupation. Israel has broken those laws. If you don't like them, tough. You are irrelevant. Furthermore, if Britain was occupied, do you think Britons would feel happy about being offered land by their 'brothers' in Europe-or do you think they might object to being thrown out of their own country?
BS. There is a not-so-subtle line between criticism and demonization and you have crossed that line by a mile, there is a difference between balanced and fair analysis of an extremely complicated situation and "Israel can do no right, Israel's enemies can do no wrong" propaganda that you are spewinghere every single day, there is nothing in common between the opposition to certain actions and policies of Israel and the opposition to Israel's very existence as a jewish state (aren't you all openly and proudly anti-zionist?), there is a difference between rational disagreement and overwhelming uncontrollable hatred which is the only explanation of why some people spend their entire lives on this (and I am sure many other) blogs doing nothing else but bashing Israel.
Borat, again I find you taking the words right out of my mouth, I agree with everything you say, even your sig, considering the dope we have for a president. I find it kind of amazing that being from Kazakhstan that you support Israel , seeing that Kazakhstan is 70% Muslim*, and the Palestinian aid flotilla mess where nine activists were killed. Maybe its my ignorance of that area of the globe and politician situation (ie the difference between turkey and your country). Anyway I love the Kazakh and Russian people as they come from a stock of warriors. Maybe when anti USA feelings die down I will visit your country. I hope to obtain a Israel visa and come to that country in the spring of 2012 so maybe then even if the tensions are still high. Thanks for your support of Israel Borat. notes; *... I have absolutely nothing against moderate Muslims but typically they are pro Palestinian. Rev A
