Obama has already won

I'm a betting man. I like making money where there's a profit to be made on a wager or two - and I'm pretty good at it. So, I thought a few days, it seems to me Obama has the election covered, despite the supposed 'rise' of Romney (no Batman reference intended). So I went on a betting website I use during the horse racing season and I was quite surprised to find Obama sitting on 1.10 and Romney on 2.50. How could the odds be so bad! It was basically at this point I thought, why isnt it obvious to people that Obama is going to win? The reality is, Obama is adequate for conservatives - as evidences by the fact 2 thirds of Americans identify as conservative, yet the overwhelming majority of the latest polls this month show Obama leading in election results. Their average has Obama winning by 4% or more over Romney.

Since his victory seems inevitable, I have a question to conservatives out there who are going on about a thousand years of darkness following Obama's reelection - want to make a bet America makes it through a second Obama term? He's crap, sure, but America will survive. Conservatives cant be serious in saying "a vote for Obama is a vote for the end of civilization as we know it." Any conservatives here want to seriously stand behind the idea "we are being set up for another domestic terrorist attack"? Can anyone seriously believe "Obama is the new carter"? Please you lot, shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up already.

All of these seem to be evidence to the asinine and myopic character of conservatives on this forum - the overwhelming majority supporting Romney simply because 'he's the other guy'. Isn't that what got Obama into office to begin with?!?

 

Not all conservatives are republicans. I'd rather have Obama than Romney by a mile. Come to think of it I don't even know what Romney stands for...I don't think even Romney does at this point. It seems like Obama is way ahead in the polls but you can't really say for sure until the debates. The problem is that both the democrats and republicans have gone so far to the right that they're basically pretty similar and differ only on particular policy rather than ideology. I always thought I was a moderate who leans conservative. Both parties are too far right for me...things that are taken for granted in most developed countries are branded socialism or even authoritarian and its madness...I don't know why the right hates Obama so much I don't know why people say he's Muslim or he's not from the US when its been proven he is Christian (not that it should matter) and American, or that he's gone to easy on terrorism...it seems as if there is nothing he can do to make some people like him, and I really don't understand...maybe some people just need someone to hate idk.

lol @ a thousand years of darkness, some people watch too much tv.

 

I've never been as turned off by a political movement as I have by the anti-Obama doomsdayers. There are legitimate reasons not to re-elect Obama, but the only time they're brought up is when people who intend to vote for Obama do so, and they rightly point out that Romney is no solution to those problems. The acts of desperation in demonizing the incumbent, rather than promoting the opposition, are nauseating.

 

I hope more dems feel like the OP. That will actually suppress dem vote turnout since most people are not as political as people on this forum and just won't bother to go to the polls since they believe Obama is a shoe in.

 

Goody...bet it all and tell all your friends about the website. Still can't wrap my head around what it is that you are so proud of this man for, and apparently just can't wait for another 4 miserable years of what we have had....but hey, like all the other Obamalovers....you probably can't explain it either. So if you lose your shirt, I guess it serves you right.

 

MegadethFan,

I trust my own instincts, and I trust my gut feeling on this one.
I believe that you would lose that bet.

The debates will be the telling of the tale.
Obama will do okay, but Romney is bound to best him on matters of the economy, and Obama's demonstrated record of broken promises.
And Ryan is going to decimate Joe Biden. Of that I have little doubt

In the end, on election day, the independents, republicans, conservatives, formerly undecided, and former Obama voters (now disillusioned and disappointed) will show up in droves, and they will vote for Romney.
In essence, they will be not so much voting for Romney, but against Obama.

The hard-left Democrats will show up to the polls, this much is certain.
But their numbers will be smaller than expected.
Many of them will stay home out of a sense of apathy or laziness. "Eh, the polls show Obama up, so I can stay home and watch television, or take a nap. Enough other people will vote for Obama, and that will keep my government check coming."

Obama will lose, but the nation will win. Big-time.

That is my prediction.

 

LOL Yeah aside from the fact I think Obama shouldnt have been elected in 2008 but yeah, I'm an 'Obamalover' just for stating the obvious. You wouldnt happen to be a conservative would you?

 

MegadethFan you probably are correct, Personally I think this was over the day that video with the 47 % comment surfaced. To anyone who thinks Romney will do well in the debates he will have that hurdle. One of the very early questions to him will be posed as opportunity to him to explain those comments. What will he say, will he just say (*)(*)(*)(*) what I said was really wrong and I apologize? His brilliant campaign hasn't done that yet.

 

As I recall, the substance of Romney comments regarding the 47% who don't pay federal taxes were:

"there's nothing I can do to sway or capture of the vote of those people"
not,
"I don't care about those people".

That's easy enough to defend.

I am sure that Barack Obama cares in some way about the people of Oklahoma or Alabama, but he won't campaign in those States in the final weeks leading up to election day.
He knows that those States will overwhelmingly vote against him, and therefore he has conceded that there is nothing he can do to sway those people, or to capture their votes.

Make sense?
A man's got to know his limitations.

 

Still not understanding how anyone can compare Romney speaking the truth in a video to....4 Americans DEAD in LIBYA and a gigantic cover-up by Obama going on. Then again maybe he wasn't aware of any of this going on, since he's busy filming the pilot episode of his new reality show.

And the second part...what was he wrong about? And, I do believe the next day he did explain what he meant...did MSNBC not cover it? Not surprising.

 

Most of the major polls are hovering within the margin of error so I don't think betting on a 50/50 chance is a sure thing at all. Both sides have their base supporters locked up so it will come down to who can turn out more of the vote. The debates should start breaking the independents to one side or the other but I think that group will probably split. I do get the impression that republicans are a bit more motivated but its really too close to tell.

The pick of Ryan didn't really hurt or harm Romney and none of the recent issues by either candidate seems to have much sticking power as far as the polls go. It will come down to turnout I believe.

 

the only people upset over the 47% comment were 47%ers. their votes were already set for Obama.

 

Ohhhh I do apologize. So you are just pointing out that you believe the hype. Got it.

You think Obama shouldn't have been elected in 2008? Doubt it.

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/election-2012-all-new-polls-shows-obama-leads-romney

But if you look at the average margin of lead you're only talking about 4.5% (which is really 2.25% of the voters Romney has to convince to switch their votes). Obama DOES NOT have the election in the bag; there is over a month to go!

 

Really you mean those old white folks on social security were solidly Obama voters? That was another major error in Romney's statement. Many of the 47% are republicans by nature but Romney can kiss many of them goodbye now.

 

Then you should puts some bets on Romney - odds are getting better by the day!

On the second point, I agree, but on the first, given Obama's oratory skills as a speech giver, I doubt Romney can best him in any serious way. If Obama does well it will over shadow Ryan.

 

The 47% comment won't hurt him at all. If Obama brings it up all Romney has to say is that he was referring to the built in democratic base, which the numbers fairly closely represent, of people that already have their mind made up.

He will say that he also has a built in base that won't change their vote so he is going to concentrate on those that haven't made up their minds yet. Not a hard issue to spin unlike Obama who will have to defend his "you didn't build that" comment which has seemed to stick with him.

 

I'm up for a friendly wager, MegadethFan.

What would you like to bet me?

We can't bet actual money, since I don't have much disposable income. The unbelievable rise in the cost of health care, groceries, and gasoline over the past four years has seen to that.


How about this?
If you win, I will post a photograph of myself wearing a pro-Obama t-shirt, or smiling and pointing to an Obama campaign sign.
And if I win, you will post a photograph of yourself wearing a pro-Romney t-shirt, or smiling and pointing to a Romney campaign sign.

Fair enough?

 

you might find this hard to believe, but many seniors planned for retirement and aren't relying on just SS for a pension...they pay taxes too.

 

I don't find that hard to believe at all and know that. But getting back to the 47% the majority of them are people on SS,people in the military, the working poor. Romney said they are not people who take responsibility for their lives think they are entitled and see themselves as victims. That is something he cannot run away from. And it won't be up to Obama to bring it up in the debate Oct. 3 the moderators of the debate will ask Romney to explain his comment. And just some "it was inelegant" excuse that Romey has used is not going to cut it. If that's his only answer the moderators and Obama will relentlessly pursue it until he comes up with better answer. There is no elegant way to call 47 % of americans self loathing moochers lol.

 

I have $10 AU to wager on Obama winning.

Roll up, pundits.

 

$10 AU?

You attend Auburn University??

 

Believe what hype?

LOL I really dont care if you doubt me. I expect people like you to be incapable of thinking outside a binary of politics.

 

Doesnt much change what I said. Obama has it in the bag. Like I said, I'd put money on but I cant find good odds. LOL

 

I'll chuck a monash in