Obama: Mass shootings are 'something we should politicize'

But also on the contribution is "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" and "Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." Lol

Louisiana has the highest gun crimes in New Orleans and Shreveport. Both are liberal controlled cities. Outside of those two, we're pretty safe.


Here's an older map, but more indicative of gun law vs gun crime.

 

Stop me if you understand the difference between politicizing guns and politicizing a horrific tragedy...

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I almost feel sorry for him and a few others on here. Especially the posters that aren't from America, but who try to talk American politics with us.

 

They wrote the 2nd Amendment when there was not such thing as a meat department at a grocery store. Or refrigerators.

 

Chicago, Washington DC, it does not matter, both have extremist gun control laws and both lead the nation in homicide and violent crime.

 

True.

They wrote the 2nd Amendment just after they evicted a tyrannical ruler. And during the discussions, they never discussed hunting as a reason for individuals bearing arms, the reason was to have the ability to keep the government in check and to oppose a future tyrannical government.

Its not about hunting and it never was.

 

They wrote the entire thing when there was no meat department or refrigerators so what is your point.....

 

I think you are talking to someone who thinks the 2nd Amendment was for hunting....

 

We tried that with drugs. Didn't work. Costs too much for one thing.

 

I'm confident they cheered in the White House learning of the shooting. It would be nice if Democrats would give some number of how many more people they want murdered, raped, assaulted and robbed by being defenseless - but it won't happen.

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Anti-gunners like to bring up hunting, which isn't even mentioned in the Bill Of Rights.

 

I think he's trying to say that the right to defend yourself ended when the refrigerator was invented.

Natural Rights are soooo antiquated...

 

Well, no, I don't want to see Americans disarmed, but given your serious open hostility issues toward people who'd like to have a serious discussion of the issue, I would strongly question whether you are now still qualified to own a deadly weapon (if you ever were).

Nobody blames the sheriff. But he has just reaped what he has sown - guns for everyone. I can only hope he might have a change of heart on the issue.

 

Why would he? Strict gun laws wouldn't have stopped the shooter. We both know that.

 

Really?

Then how do you explain James Otis, Jr.'s declaration that black men possessed the same natural rights as white men when he was arguing Paxton's Case back in 1761?

I guess Howard Zinn neglected to point that out in A People's History Of The United States...

 

I agree something should be done! New gun laws are not going to fix the problem though. There are already 58,000 (roughly) gun laws on the books so the call for more gun control more laws etc are simply an 'vocalized revenge fantasy' to make gun owners pay one way or another. There may be a few well meaning but ignorant souls not interested in revenge who ignorantly think with a infinity of strict laws banning and restricting guns combined with ultra Orwellian control gun measures, firearm violence can be stopped or nearly so. If over 50 thousand laws isn't effective, 50 million more will do nothing to stop the violence either!

Long ago, early in Obama's presidential campaign, he had mentioned a good doable and probably effective way to curb the gun enabled massacres to a large degree. That was his promise to if made president he would immediately ask congress to fund a comprehensive overhaul of our mental health system. I'm not talking about Obama's socialists R US(a) health care system that was forced down the throat of every American. But I digress, so back on topic, Every school shooting and most mass murders were committed by an insane (clinically not legally) individual or individuals. Many of these people or their families had or were desperately seeking help for their disease, most with little success. So the smoking gun in all these cases weren't the easy availability of legal or illegal weapons.

Like drugs firearms will always be available. No the real smoking gun was being held by a 800 pound gorilla also known as lack of care for the profoundly mentally disturbed. There are other reasons Americans are so different from their freedom(less), more feminized,*** or docile*** testosterone challenged peers in the UK. That last statement is especially itrue of the brits. (*** neither is the word I am searching for!). I am referencing the fact that Americans have a different sociological, historical , and traditional background combination of several factors, the most serious contribute to the mass killings is by far is a lack of care for mentally disturbed people. By lack of care I mean accessible long term care. The bigger picture would include educational and support for family members of the mentally ill etc. Why can't the USA care for its most needy people? Those with the disease of mental health? Why does the USA have more of its non violent citizens incarnated than any other first world nation? In the same vein when our government jails the mentally ill with murderers rapists and other criminals should we expect anything less than a skid-row Belvue?

Of course curing the problem of violence is much difficult than is mentioned (above). But we have to start somewhere, and the banning or adding more gun laws to the many thousands already in print isn't it! Educating the public,along with treating the mentally ill would be a good start.

REVA

 

Politicize selectively, at the right time, for political gain.

 

Hardly. It was first posted here http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...how-do-we-prevent-these-mass-shootings-2.html
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You tell me, who are the group that "Swear to god Progressives would believe anything if someone calls it a "study".. They never seem to actually look at the data" and then goes onto post that article, in order to prove that gun controlled cities are the safest?

 

Or politicize 'politically dangerous' causes only while being a last term prez!
reva

 

My hypothesis. No hypothesis. Just reading. http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/426834-ten-killed-shooting-ore-community-college.html

Before anything about the shooter was known, "you" were posting that it must be a Muslim because the name was not given out by the police, because Obama had not made a speech so shooter must be a Muslim, he asked people their religion so must be a Muslim.

 

No i believe its another Montoya type of poster who hates the Constitution. ( to the mods that is not a personal attack it is comparing two peoples political beliefs on a political forum hint hint)

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If he was not to blame then you would not be talking about reaping now would you. This guy probably never even heard the sheriffs comments nor was impacted by them.

 

LOL "I don't want to take your guns...........but I want to take your guns". Just stop dancing and admit you want to ban guns.

 

The shooter was obviously a hateful Christophobic bigot.

 

How come no one talks about all but one of the mass shootings in the last 30 years has been in a Gun Free Zone? I have a permit and pack a 9mm and really try to avoid gun free zones.

 

To be blunt, we Americans (collectively) behave in ways that are considerably more brutal, crass, and less civilized than you in most of Great Britain and Europe. I could ramble for paragraphs about why this might be, but instead will simply suggest that a core reason for our frequently cold-blooded, beastial behavior is that we have come to a point where we fear and hate each other.

The Left hates the Right, and vice-versa. Blacks hate Whites and those of Asian heritage, and this is reciprocated to a degree, although there is very little antipathy that I see between Asian-Americans and White Americans. The "haves" of all races hate the "have-nots", and poor people assume, without reason, that for unknown reasons, the government owes them a lifetime of subsistence welfare. On and on and on.

Is it fair to observe that you in Europe are somewhat "homogenized" in your views of each other? Nothing creates acceptance quite like socialism, and since everybody's "on the dole" to one degree or another, and all Europeans live in socialist countries, perhaps people tend to be less angry and more mollified, generally. But that's illogical, isn't it? Here in the States, today we have more people sucking on a variety of welfare-teats than ever before in our history! We don't have as large a percentage of our population on welfare as you do in Europe, but we're toiling away at it, night and day....

One thing's for sure -- nobody here is going to put down their weapons at this point (especially not at this point). So, we hate and fear each other, and those of us who have any degree of awareness at all are going to defend ourselves from the monsters among us!

 

Nutcases targeting Christians is disturbing to say the least. Why are the insane so attracted to Christians? I am a Christian minister so the spiritual realm is just as real as the material universe is to nonbelievers. Along with things natural the supernatural could be influencing the hate against Christians. So I urge all Christians to pray for those that have been effected by firearm violence.

God bless this forum ~

reva

 

My wish would be for President Obama to issue an Executive Order for strict gun control.