Obama Once Again Shows the World Weakness: Says ISIS is "not islamic".

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ISIL no they are not twisting the Koran they are actually abiding by its tenants. the moderate Muslims the peaceful ones are the ones actually twisting it, reinterpreting it so to be peaceful. don't let anyone fool you the Islamic religion is violent they call for violence and actually it is their duty as a Muslim to be violent to either convert or slaughter the infidels
     
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    ISIS is claiming to be Islamic but true Muslims say that ISIS is corrupting their religion.
     
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    <tenets> 'Tenants' are those folks you rent rooms to...
     
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    And they are correct. Seems to me the conservatives here are desperate to convince themselves that ISIS are truly representative of Islam, thus allowing their bigotry to conflate all Muslims into a nicely convenient whole.
     
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    they are it is the moderate peaceful Muslims that is twisting the Koran reinterpreting it so to be peaceful. in many places in the Koran it calls for violence it is the duty of all Muslims to either convert or slaughter the infidels

    from the Koran

    &#9726;Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
    &#9726;Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
    &#9726;When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
    &#9726;Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
    &#9726;Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
    &#9726;The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
    &#9726;Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
    &#9726;The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28 )
    &#9726;Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
    (22:19)

    &#9726;Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
    &#9726;The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
    &#9726;Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28 )
    &#9726;Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur&#8217;an (8:12)
    &#9726;Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    So does the Bible, the Torah etc. So what if an ancient text calls for Muslims to fight the 'infidel'; are they all doing so? Yes or no?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Bible and the Torah can be left up to interpretation not many passages in the bible are the words of God

    all of the Koran is the words of Allah
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    There is nowhere in the Bible which allows God's word to be open to any interpretation whatsoever.

    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Peter-1-20/
     
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    right not Gods words, but like I mentioned on my last post not many passages in the Bible are Gods words
    I suggest you look up what is called the red letter bible that is written in red letters what are Gods words in the bible
    all of the Koran is the words of Allah not left up to be reinterpreted
     
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    Who decided which was God's word and which was not? Was anyone around all those thousands of years ago, or was it simply a matter of convenience? And in any case the Red Letters are supposedly what was spoken by Jesus, not God.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_letter_edition
     
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    Oh you don't need to try and convince me, as I was cynical regarding all U.S. federal agencies from the get-go, in the distant years of my youth. It's just that it was a weak rebuttal since if you are going to hold past actions of a revolting manner against them as a veracity standard then no government released statistics of any sort anywhere are remotely trustworthy, ever. That is unless one is going to use as a yard stick (remember them) how closely an announcement benefits one's own ideologically based judgments. In that case, cool!
     
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    Ah crap. I screwed up my formatting. The rest was Talon I believe. Sorry about that.
     
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    Thank you Cubed, there's a reason I still have respect for you and that's because you calmly disagree instead of making things racist. Respect.

    But seriously, the Qu'ran does say they can kill non-believers because they are rebelling against the one true god.

    Meh, turn the ME into a large glass area in my opinion, no more problems from it and we could turn it into a tourist attraction later.
     
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    Obama had gay sex?....whu?
     
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    ISIS is about as Islamic at the Nazi Party is Christian. Why is that so hard to understand?
     
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    I had to look up reentrant code.

    Anyway, I was just fishing for a glimpse, however faint, of a point where Gatewood would admit to someone else being more evil than Obama.

    May never happen, and probably considered flame baiting...but oh well
     
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    Anything not Islamic??? ISIS has been an equal opportunity killer, sonny. Who do you think they are killing in Syria, Navajo Indians? Good lord, read a newspaper.
     
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    Name all the "abortion clinic terrorists".
     
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    Did you really need to go Full Sandbox, old man? :roll:

    In case you haven't noticed, the takfirist jihadists in ISIS/ISIL consider Alawites, Shiites and other Muslims who don't subscribe to their ideology "NOT Islamic". That's the way takfirists roll.
     
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    I am aware that there are many muslims who will always respond to any question wrt sharia and suitable punishments for transgressions as supporting them, even if they actually don't want it implemented.

    As to your question of how could millions and millions of people be wrong about their own religion, its a common trait of human nature within social organizations.

    here's what some american christians believe. 3 out of 10 think the bible is literally true.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/148427/say-bible-literally.aspx

    yet apparently there is a scandal of bible illiteracy in America:
    http://www.christianheadlines.com/columnists/al-mohler/the-scandal-of-biblical-illiteracy-its-our-problem-1270946.html

    When confronted with basic questions it seems Americans are rather ignorant overall of religion.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html?_r=0


    OTOH, who can ignore that there are serious fundamental problems with Islam. The vast majority of muslims do not speak or read arabic, and yet the prayers, the madrasses and the all of the rituals are in arabic. Accessibility to the scriptures are limited. Islam flourishes in many impoverished areas where literacy is low and education is at best primary. Sectarianism abounds steeped in violence much like europe was prior to the reformation. Some misapply the scriptures to justify violence despite an underlying tenet of Islam that there is no compulsion.
    Perhaps the most troubling thing is that Islam does not have a central religious authority that can make the changes necessary to bring the religion into the 21st century.

    I do agree that all religious fanatics should be excoriated and when they indulge in violence should be removed from the gene pool.
    I just don't agree in your generalization and universal condemnation.
     
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    Yeah when Obama said that about how ISIS is not Islamic I thought it was total asscovering bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Of course its Islamic. Nobody else behaves like that. They eat it, breathe it, sleep it, and enjoy every minute of it. They'll be happy to die for it and that is where we come in with bombs, missiles, and drones.
     
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    Easier to find someone more "evil" than Obama, than to find anyone LESS COMPETENT than Obama.

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    Not to mention ISIS has "ISLAMIC" in its name, for Pete's sake. But not, we need the islamapologists to "explain" it to us, because the islamists apparently do not realize that they are "not Islamic", and the Left are the Big Experts on the topic....
     
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    I love that Obama believes that we are going to teach the muslims what being a good muslim is.
     
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    I've learned to be extremely sceptical of any government pronouncements, especially as regards foreign policy. In my experience there is always a sub-text
     
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    Uh huh, and the fascist, right-wing Nazi party had 'socialist' in its name. So?
     

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