Obamacare is about to screw me

There are people like me who are lower middle class, can't afford health insurance, and can't get it through my employer unless I pay a few hundred bucks a month. But I make slightly too much money...just over the threshold for qualifying for any government assistance. If I don't purchase a corporation's service then I will get fined...and if I resist paying that, the state will kidnap me for tax evasion....and if I resist arrest, the state will just kill me.

Obama is a corporate stooge just as much as the neo-conservative Republicans are. To everyone who voted for Obama, the huge health insurance corporations and their lobbyists thank you for gaining me and millions of other Americans in my situation as customers under penalty of death.

 

Well yea. Welcome to Democrat Tyranny.

 

Do you make more than 400% of the federal poverty line for the size of your family? If you don't you are eligible for Gov't. subsidies.

Here is a calculator to use to determine if you are eligible for subsidies under Obamacare. http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

 

Well just like education just tell everyone it sucks and will never work properly. Never educate others on your situation and hope this new idea adapts.

 

I don't understand why an employer should be responsible for an employees health insurance.

 

It's an artifact from WWII. During the War there were wage and price controls as well as rationing. We were borrowing like mad, we were spending money we didn't have and if the factories producing the war materials needed to beat the Germans and Japanese had to raise wages to get more workers, our economy would not have been able to sustain the war effort. So to get workers, companies began to offer benefits such as health care to get employees (yes, it was a backdoor payraise) and it was institutionalized by Congress either late in the War or shortly after. It was during that period that companies began to compete for employees by offering benefits (mostly untaxable and with tax benefits to the companies)

 

Then why do you support Obamacare? Because that is what it requires employers do.

 

If you are below the threshold for government assistance, you're NOT lower middle class. You're middle class. Perhaps you have a spending problem if you're broke. Oh, btw, the health insurance companies are furious about Obamacare. They are going to lose a lot of customers (more like slaves) to government run health insurance. When you change the system to where the mega-rich health insurance companies have cheaper competition, and force employers of over 50 people to provide in insurance for their employees, the insurance companies start threatening to raise premiums to scare people into being against Obamacare. The fact is, they're going to lose a whole lot more slaves if they raise premiums, cuz I'll promise you the government run option will be cheaper than what they're charging now, much less if they raise premiums. The health insurance industry's just going to have accept that they'll be making merely gigantic prefits, rather than record profits every single year as it has been for years.

 

Uh huh. Can we sum it all up to Democrat violations of he Constitution?

 

Actually no - the threshold for govt assistance is only about $14,000 for a single person with no children. So making above $14,000 a year is in no way 'middle class'

 

I agree. I have heard very different numbers. Source?

 

http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Eligibility/Eligibility.html

 

You didn't really think you would qualify for "free Democrat goodies" did you? People that work for a living at any kind of a job will ALWAYS make too much for Democrat Socialist assistance. If you don't qualify it is your choice as you CHOOSE to go to work each and every morning... Accept the reality of Communism. If you work to earn a "dollar" you are by definition a "capitalist." Make no mistake. Democrats on you.

 

Yes really even a full-time worker at McDonald's making min wage would have 'too much' to qualify if he worked 40 hours a week every week, for $7.25 per hour.

 

Yes. you are starting to understand. If you go to work to earn whatever you get, and whatever you negotiate the Democrats have you in their gun sites. If you EARN money you are engaging in capitalism. Democrats are Communistic and you are therefore the enemy. Best to go on Welfare and vote for Democrats so they LIKE you, so you are not a TARGET.

 

Actually health insurance paid for by the company was voluntary early on but that changed for the first time during LBJ's reign of economic terror when the government made it mandatory for companies with more than fifty employees to furnish those employees health insurance. What that health insurance had to cover has been largely decided not by the companies and the insurance companies but by the legal system which has mandated coverage for everything from the common cold to sex change operations with the result that your company policy covers a whole lot of crap that you will never use while having some occassionally really scary holes in it.

Obama care did not improve the situation it, in point of fact made it worse.

 

LBJ was a Democrat. My position, my shtick is that Democrats crated all the current problems. My position is hard to argue against indeed. Democrats are the problem...

 

"Government assistance" need not refer only to Medicaid; a major piece of the reforms is that a federal tax credit will be available to help people above the Medicaid threshold to buy private insurance plans. That federal assistance will be available to people with incomes below 400% of the poverty line (provided they don't have an offer of affordable coverage through their job). For a single person, that's an income of around $46,000.

 

$46,000 a year is a hefty sum for public assistance would you not agree? Most would...

 

But I don't support Obamacare,, what makes you think that? I don't give a sh!t about your poxy healthcare schemes in America.

I just want to kow why health insurance is the responsibilty of employers in America.

 

Thanks for the very informative reply. Better than some Bozos here.

 

Because Democrats apparently think it's the govt's right to use private business as their own 'healthcare system'.

Really Obamacare is more akin to fascism than socialism - the govt letting private businesses exist, but forcing private businesses to be the vassals of the govt.

 

So employer funded health insurance is only available when the Democrats are in power? What an interesting political system you have in America!

 

Available but not mandated - people can purchase their own private plans if they can afford them - employer-funded plans are more affordable for the average American.

 

You should have supported a single-payer model instead of spouting ignorant nonsense about socialized medicine.