Obama's Birth Certificates are Fake

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  1. PatriotNews

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    Everything you said is irrelevant in light of the fact that the one he presented is a proven fraud.
     
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    The only 'expert' you have named is Maria Zebest- and she is no 'certified document examiner'.

    As I said before- give us names and their CV.

    So far all you keep saying is 'experts'.

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    Not proven by anyone, to anyone.
     
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    I don't have 1- I have 6. - all quotes below from Obamaconspiracy.org website- feel free to disprove any of their conclusions- or show that they are not qualified experts- and as I said- feel free to name your 'experts' and their CV

    This is such old news and has been debunked before- and unlike you- I am willing to provide their names

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2015/04/the-six-document-experts/

    Here is what WorldNet Daily writer Aaron Klein said about 3 of them:

    I decided to go to actual, to some of the nation’s foremost forensic graphic analysts, and I don’t mind naming their names: Jim Pex at International Forensic Experts, also John Berryhill the President and COO of Berryhill Computer Forensics, I[v]an Zatkovich at eComputer Consultants, all with years of expert in criminal and civil testimony. They have consulted for graphics forensic expertise for such companies as Citicorp, McGraw Hill, other major publishing firms, online Amazon.com, others. So, they’re incredibly qualified.

    Klein went on to say that none of them found fakery. WorldNetDaily refused to release any of these reports, and recently when I tried to mention them in comments on their site, they BANNED me. Here is the transcript of what Aaron Klein said on his WABC radio program:

    The 4th expert is Dr. Neal Krawetz, noted security expert, expert on faked images, forensic software author (see his FotoForensics.com site) and frequent speaker at conferences. You can read his comments here:

    The Afterbirth

    The 5th is Ken Colburn founder and CEO of Data Doctors Computer Services & Data Forensics Labs appearing in an interview on a Phoenix TV station. Here is what he said after looking at the Cold Case Posse presentation:

    When I first saw it it was very convincing until we did our test and saw that, wait a minute, our scanner does the same thing.

    Here is a link to the video at USA Today.

    My prior 5 experts are good, but the 6th expert is the one that I put the most faith in, because he is an expert in exactly the subject under discussion. Dr. Ricardo de Queiroz was a former research scientist for Xerox, and a patent holder in the very compression technology that has so confused the birthers. He is the author of an academic paper on mixed raster content compression (one that discusses why there are halos, for example), and he informally looked at the Obama PDF and responded that it looked like MRC compression to him. Of all the people commenting, he is the one most qualified to look at the PDF and say what it is. Here’s a copy of his paper in the Journal of Electronic Imaging mentioning halos:

    Pre- and postprocessing for multilayer compression of scanned documents

    His comments on the Obama PDF are informal, made in an email.
     
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    If you have Adobe Photoshop, you can download it off of the White House website yourself and see that it is a fake.
     
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    Where are the names and the CV of your experts?

    Feel free to refute any of the 6 experts I listed.
     
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    I've seen those experts' stuff. None of them can duplicate the 11 layers, or any of the other anomalies.

    There are people that have CDE expertise that are on the thread I linked to in the OP. I don't have time to go
    through the whole thing right now.
     
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    So you have nothing.

    Well that is better than the usual Birther lies, speculation and innuendo.
     
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    On the contrary, it is all in the link in the OP.
     
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    Birthers do love themselves Youtube.....anything to avoid putting something down in writing....
     
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    Your not really interested enough to find out the truth, why do you bother?
     
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    Birthers like truthers will be seen by historians as lunatics.
     
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    I agree. What bothers me, as a conservative, most about the birthers, is about how they were played so well by Obama. He figured out a way to make rightwingers look like lunatics, and they fell for it, hook line and sinker.
     
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    Youtube is great for watching Jimmy Kimmel bits.

    Not a particularly reliable source for the 'truth'- when I see people trying to sell their 'truth' on Youtube, I always check and make sure my wallet is secure.

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    LOL.....blaming Obama for birthers- now that would make rightwingers look like lunatics.

    While Birthers tend to be right wing whackos, they certainly don't represent most Conservatives.
     
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    Have you tried to download it yourself into Adobe Photoeditor?
     
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    Still waiting for the names and CV of your 'experts'.

    So far, like all Birthers, you are long on making claims, and void of substantiating them.
     
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    Not blaming him for them, just saying that he pwned them by making them look foolish.

    Of course birthers don't represent most Conservatives, but Obama connected them pretty well. The stupid birthers played right along.......
     
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    I think the only one that Obama really 'made' look foolish was Trump.

    Not that Birthers need any help looking foolish.
     
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    I'm still waiting for anyone to present a certified document examiner who will state the birth certificate is real.
    Here are links to the posts that I already posted expert testimony that the birth certificates are fraud.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=389391&page=5&p=1064597912#post1064597912

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=389391&page=5&p=1064599366#post1064599366

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=389391&page=11&p=1064612264#post1064612264

    I will retract my statements when you have presented expert testimony or proof that the birth certificates are authentic.
    So far, nobody has.
     
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    So in other words you will stick your fingers in your ears and go 'waaaaah wwaaaaaah' can't hear anything....

    What i posted and that you ignore

    I don't have 1- I have 6. - all quotes below from Obamaconspiracy.org website- feel free to disprove any of their conclusions- or show that they are not qualified experts- and as I said- feel free to name your 'experts' and their CV

    This is such old news and has been debunked before- and unlike you- I am willing to provide their names

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2015/...ument-experts/

    Here is what WorldNet Daily writer Aaron Klein said about 3 of them:

    I decided to go to actual, to some of the nation’s foremost forensic graphic analysts, and I don’t mind naming their names: Jim Pex at International Forensic Experts, also John Berryhill the President and COO of Berryhill Computer Forensics, I[v]an Zatkovich at eComputer Consultants, all with years of expert in criminal and civil testimony. They have consulted for graphics forensic expertise for such companies as Citicorp, McGraw Hill, other major publishing firms, online Amazon.com, others. So, they’re incredibly qualified.

    Klein went on to say that none of them found fakery. WorldNetDaily refused to release any of these reports, and recently when I tried to mention them in comments on their site, they BANNED me. Here is the transcript of what Aaron Klein said on his WABC radio program:

    The 4th expert is Dr. Neal Krawetz, noted security expert, expert on faked images, forensic software author (see his FotoForensics.com site) and frequent speaker at conferences. You can read his comments here:

    The Afterbirth

    The 5th is Ken Colburn founder and CEO of Data Doctors Computer Services & Data Forensics Labs appearing in an interview on a Phoenix TV station. Here is what he said after looking at the Cold Case Posse presentation:

    When I first saw it it was very convincing until we did our test and saw that, wait a minute, our scanner does the same thing.

    Here is a link to the video at USA Today.

    My prior 5 experts are good, but the 6th expert is the one that I put the most faith in, because he is an expert in exactly the subject under discussion. Dr. Ricardo de Queiroz was a former research scientist for Xerox, and a patent holder in the very compression technology that has so confused the birthers. He is the author of an academic paper on mixed raster content compression (one that discusses why there are halos, for example), and he informally looked at the Obama PDF and responded that it looked like MRC compression to him. Of all the people commenting, he is the one most qualified to look at the PDF and say what it is. Here’s a copy of his paper in the Journal of Electronic Imaging mentioning halos:

    Pre- and postprocessing for multilayer compression of scanned documents

    His comments on the Obama PDF are informal, made in an email.

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    Still waiting for you to come up with any experts- and their CV- who have ever claimed that Obama's BC was not authentic.

    Meanwhile- looks like you will be stomping your feet in disbelief up to the day that President Obama opens his Presidential Library and is playing checkers with David Letterman.
     
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    Why would ANYONE bother to take you up on your so called "challenge"? Don't you think the US president might have more to do than dicker with the lunatic fringe?
     
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    This is the only active link you provided and here is what it says:

     
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    I went to the first link (
    The Xerox WorkCentre Workflow Successes) on your link and it does not say what your blogger says it says.

    It only confirms that Obama's PDF on WhiteHouse.gov has layers. It does not prove that it is a repeatable phenomenon.
     

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