We don't know that since he has never released his records and one would surmise that had he been an outstanding student with a record of personal accomplishment that record would be an open book. First no one wished them to be disasters, they merely are disasters and will probably go down as the worst disasters of any President. He was part and parcel to it are you ignorant of the fact that Obama did not ride into town January 2009? And he ASKED FOR THE JOB. He said HE could handle it and fix what was going wrong. He failed miserably. He had complete control his first two years and got everything he wanted stop passing the buck and making excuses for the man. A good leader and good President can work with the opposition party. But of course when you have nothing of substance to add just try to smear the otherside. And silly emotional snide remarks.........we get you. - - - Updated - - - OK why was he nominated over Hillary and elected?
Seriously? Don't look now but has ANYONE presented any evidence to substantiate the accusation that he didn't go to the universities he claimed? He wasn't at harvard law? he wasn't the editor of the HLR? No. they haven't. But sure as hell there are a bunch of right wing americans who simply have to beleive in the gross and clumsy character assassination that originated with the birthers and continues to this day with all kinds of conspiracy nuts.
What lie did he tell about the VA? What lie did he tell about jobs? And Obama definitely did not lie about employer based insurance coverage. this repeated inanity that the government will control healthcare is classic bumpersticker. lessee, Health insurance remains a for profit industry. Health care supplies and supproting services remains a for profit industry. Pharmacology remains a for high profit industry. Delivery of actual health care services remains a for profit industry. There are no death panels, just like there isn't any mechanism for rationing in the ACA. Seems liars are not confined to a single party nor a single elected position..
Seriously? You actually think it was military power that enabled the economic recovery of germany and japan? Worked great in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't it?
I posted it. I posted it. Yes he did and in fact a new report last week says 90% of us with employer coverage will lose it. The repeated denials are fantasy. Yes with the taxpayer having to make up for the profit loses to the insurance industry and the health care supply going offshore and whether a pharmacology system remains viable remains to be seen. The fact is the government is taking over the system under a fascist program. Delivery of actual health care services remains a for profit industry. There are no death panels, just like there isn't any mechanism for rationing in the ACA. We are discussing this particular one, have a need to divert.
Really you are ignorant that it was the military that rebuilt the governments and oversaw security so that an economic recovery could happen and yes the military was highly involved in that economic recovery? Are you really ignorant of the banking and currency wars our military engaged in with the Soviets? Until Obama took over and blew it. But the fact remains the goal in Iraq was to remove Saddam and the threat he posed and get a new elected government in place, Bush succeeded. What they do with afterwards is Iraq business not ours. In Afghanistan it was to disrupt and prevent al Qaeda from freely operating and we were well on the way to do that and again Obama is blowing that.
You have nailed this Jonsa guy/girl in your responses. I'm not sure why he/she is even continuing to post, unless he's being paid to. I'm confident that Jonsa isn't so ignorant that he's not aware that you're burying him.
Maybe you should try watching FOX News or listening to some conservative talk radio before you make such fallacious statements.
You don't know that he went to harvard and graduated with a degree? You don't know that he was the editor of the HLR? Lots of presidents didn't release their college transcripts. Why is Obama the only one to be questioned in such a specious manner? Oh.... yeah... of course. I completely disagree with your assessement. He will definitely not go down as one of the greatest presidents of all time, but he'll be well remembered in a postive light. Steered the nation thru the second worst economic crisis in its history. Presided over the ending of two of the longest wars in US history. Nailed Bin Ladin. Re-engineered the US healthcare system, controlled costs and expanded coverage. Helped toppled two dictators without a single US boot on the ground or casualty. Oh and here is what the rest of the world thinks of him: http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/07/18/americas-global-image-remains-more-positive-than-chinas/ In the current poll, half or more of those surveyed have a positive opinion of the U.S. in 28 of 38 nations. The percentage of people who give the U.S. a positive rating has increased significantly in 19 of the 28 countries polled both this year and in 2007, when the Pew Research Center last conducted a global survey on this scale Oh? his policies were what caused the clustermuck he inherited? Nice bit of prestidigitation there. Yes he asked for the job and he got it. And he has handled it. You might get better traction for your contention that he has failed miserably by actually articulating the criteria you use to arrive at such a conclusion. Not when the opposition party CATEGORICALLY rejects co-operation. Who adopts a strategy of obstructionism. Why do you insist on ignoring this simple reality. The republicans state they will not co-operate and then you condemn Obama for not working with republicans. Making an observation of the actions and words of the partisan parrot is not smearing the other side. But nuance is as much the enemy of partisanship as truth can be at times. silly? emotional? Snide I'll give you, considering I was responding to bit of partisan hate speech. I'm glad you think you get me. I don't see much evidence of that tho. Not because he was black. Regardless of the simplistic crap some on the right spew because they cannot fathom that a black man might actually be a better candidate as the people who elected him obviously thought. Yet another bumpersticker from the right to explain away why their serious white men lost so badly to Obama. It couldn't possibly be because of his policies and abilities. According to the right those are non-existent or complete and utter disasters.
Its not at all fallacious. It is entirely accurate. We're up to 159 posts and not a single one that is addressing the content of the speech.
don't recall or I wouldn't have asked. dont recall or I wouldn't have asked. what was the lie he supposed uttered about employer insurance? You seem to know a lot about fantasy. But my denials of fantasy can't really be considered fantasy, more like reality. What utter nonsense. The taxpayers temporarily compensating insurance companies in the transition is bad when the transition mandated? Seems to me a capitalist would appreciate and understand such an action. Oh, the healthcare supply industry is going off shore? Why would they do it becuase of the ACA? They still won't be able to charge 2000% markups regardless of where they manufacture. Do you have any data to support how widespread this supposed exodus is? Is it larger or smaller expressed as a % of production capacity than other major manufacturing industries have experienced? You cannot be serious that the pharma system might not remain viable? What a stupendously ridiculous fear mongering piece of nonsense. a fascist program? With that little bon mot it's rather obvious you wouldn't know a fascist if he goosestepped up to you and slapped you in the face. Get back to me when you can point to a president or any elected politician that hasn't lied or obfuscated the truth at one time or another. I have never claimed that Obama hasn't lied. OTOH, I do question what you think are lies since I believe many on the list to be simply be lies about lies. I
Meanwhile, GW BUSH was greeted with ROUSING OVATION when he was there. Let's COMPARE the TWO, shall we? [video=youtube;g0C_FvDymfc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g0C_FvDymfc[/video]
It was the economic legistlation from congress that empowered their economic recovery. I do agree that the establishment of a military occupation government that transitioned into new national governments was an important component. But I do not consider that military might achieving economic recovery at all. Oh look a russian red herring? tasty or what? If that's the case, how did Obama blow it - by getting the troops the hell outta dodge? You said it yourself, its not america's responsiblity what the Iraqis chose to do once they had the election. Seems Bush was kinda sloppy in not bringing the troops home after achieving such an excellent victory in 2005, so naturally Obama blew it by actually cleaning up Bush's mess 7 years later. Not even remotely close to "well on the way" of preventing AQ from freely operating or haven't you been watching the news? Oh sure lots of the original leadership have been killed (mostly by the Obama administration btw), but that hasn't stopped the idea of AQ and Islamist terrorism from spreading around the muslim world. Even the taliban hasn't been defeated in 13 years of combat. And lets not forget that GWB himself said less than a year after invading that he couldn't care less what cave Binnie was living in. It only took another decade or so for the Obama admin to actually snuff the dude. wow. thanks for that. It was truly hilarious. Next time I suggest you move your foot BEFORE pulling the trigger.
Hasn't the National Endowment for the Arts already wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars for some liberal to carve those images on their own version of Mount Turdmore?
When Pres.Bush went to West Point, he gave the cadets a BRILLIANT, ROUSING speech, about AMERICAN LEADERSHIP, and FIGHTING INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM...aka: "OUR ACTUAL ENEMIES". Obama's limpwristed rambling, informed the cadets that they would be "fighting climate change", our IMAGINARY ENEMY. No wonder the difference, both BEFORE and AFTER the speeches. They LOVED PRES.BUSH... not so Obama.
When Pres.Bush went to West Point, he gave the cadets a BRILLIANT, ROUSING speech, about AMERICAN LEADERSHIP, and FIGHTING INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM...aka: "OUR ACTUAL ENEMIES". Obama's limpwristed rambling, informed the cadets that they would be "fighting climate change", our IMAGINARY ENEMY. No wonder the difference, both BEFORE and AFTER the speeches. They LOVED PRES.BUSH... not so Obama. Amazing ability to try to pretend you didn't already know that was posted.
Suggest you read the OP again. And the topic here is the RECEPTION. The rest of us are all aware of how empty the speech was just as the NYT and Washington Post stated. Nothing in the speech worth discussing.
IF the prime minister believed the country was secure enough for a withdrawl of combat forces and "Army planners have privately acknowledged they are examining projections that could see the number of Americans hovering between 30,000 and 50,000, but maybe as high as 70,000, for a substantial time beyond 2011. Pentagon planners say those currently counted as combat troops could be "re-missioned" and that their efforts could be redefined as training and support for the Iraqis.[40] Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen has also said "three years is a long time. Conditions could change in that period of time".[41]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
It is to what you were responding. It is to what you were responding. So you never heard him say that if you you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. Period.? You really don't come here very well equipped. Not nearly as much as you it seems. Can't bring yourself to reality, It't a corporate bailout because his plan is a failure and you have no idea how long it will have to last. Seems to me you have no idea about capitalism or what capitalist appreciate or understand. Yep some of it will as the tax on medical appliances phases in. Guess you didn't know about that either? Dead serious if Obama limits payments to less than the cost of producing them. Yep, fascist control on the industry. ROFLMAO, that's really the best excuse for him you can muster?
Focus on the reception and not the content. Like I said, it doesn't make any sense to have an intelligent debate of american foreign policy around here. Afterall the partisans have their priorities straight and actually addressing the issues when you can simply bash the opposition (rightly or wrongly) is so so so much easier for the intellectually challenged yet passionate partisan. right grok? - - - Updated - - - I totally understand the urge that some have, who might be forced to think a bit, so best avoid it. - - - Updated - - - Yes if the prime minister believed. which is exactly what happened. It wasn't obama that refused to renew SOFA it was the Iraqi PM.
english please? Of course. And from what I understand for the most part that is true. Seems a few doctors have decided in the short term to opt out. But not for long. Of course that was in relation to individual healthcare and made at the same time as the "keep your policy" lie. It does not by any stretch of the imagination qualify as lying about employer health coverage since the ENTIRE program is to divorce basic coverage from employment. who claimed different? no no, I readily defer to your clearly superior knowledge. Yes it does have limitations. No its not because his plans a failure, it is to ease a transition from the old standards to the new ones. But of course for some reason conservatives think that any major re-architecting of something so simple and straightforward as the american healthcare industry should happen overnight and not require any additional input or tweaking or else it should be scrapped. Pretty damn transparent. A capitalist would absolutely accept with open arms any financial support to make a mandated transition. What don't I understand or appreciate? hahaha. That tax is going to be on ALL medical appliances REGARDLESS of point of origin. Its obvious you didn't know that either. Can't wait until somebody proposes outsourcing the entire healthcare industry. Imagine the taxes, regulations, illegals, lawsuits, licensing and scrutiny they could avoid. Surely a capitalist's paradise. FEAR MONGERING NOT SERIOUSNESS. Is that why drugs in canada are 20 to 35% cheaper? NO its because of bulk purchasing and negotiating discounts. Do you have any idea how profitable the pharma industry is? First he's a socialist and a commie and a muslim and anti-american and kenyan and now a fascist. Way to go! You have just completed the full circle of partisan bullcrap! No. its merely a truthful observation. Or do you wish to contend my comments accuracy as soon as you relocated your arse?
