Obama's Jobs Plan - Purposeful Political Poison

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  1. Radio Refugee

    Radio Refugee New Member

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    Yes, yes, this is a blog posting but it's close to the source and it fits what I would believe so....you get it here.

    The Plouffe/Daley Axis is strongly pushing jobs measures that will certainly be rejected by the House Republicans mostly for the purpose of getting the House Republicans to reject them.

    Out of work in America? Go screw. The politics of 2012 are MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO OBAMA THAN YOUR SORRY ASS!

    By any means necessary, Baby!

    [Biden]"It's all about that 3 letter word: S-C-R-E-W" [/Biden]

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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    If it was anyone else other than Obama, I would say this isn't true.

    But its Chicago style politics. Do whatever you have to, to win.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    but but but Obama created 3 million awesome "Shovel Ready" jobs with a trillion tax payer dollars.......
     
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    The trouble for Obama is that he was given almost $1 trillion to create shovel ready jobs and he spent the money for something else.

    Now it is difficult for him to ask the public to pony up for another trillion that we don't have.
     
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    TheLastBoyScout New Member

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    Out of curiosity, what Obama plan do you think Republicans would support?


    Whenever Obama has endorsed ideas that Republicans have supported (or even conceived), the Republicans, as a block, opposed him for the sake of opposing him......
     
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    Isn't this just confirming what we already know? BO and his crew are snake oil salesmen/women.


    Now watch the Obama apologizers come out of the woodworks, 5-4-3-2-1....attack the messenger, deflect from the message.
     
  7. Radio Refugee

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    Obama is antithetical in economic policy to any current conservative ideology.

    I don't see any common ground that Obama would find acceptable. The man was born to regulate. That alone is killing jobs.

    Won't change.

    Example please.
     
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    Extending the Payroll tax break would be one area I think they could agree...


    Here's an example of what I'm talking about....in 2010, the Small Business Jobs act passed, but almost all Republicans voted against it. This is what it contained:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/09/27/president-obama-signs-small-business-jobs-act-learn-whats-it
    Looks like the kind of bill Republicans would craft........but then Obama endorsed it, so of course they opposed it.
     
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    It takes quite an investment of my time to intelligently discuss this bill.

    Pass.

    But just in the most general terms, if the House Dems embraced it as a bloc, I'm sure after a stretch I'll find plenty of warts.
     
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    TheLastBoyScout New Member

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    Pass on informed discussion...? You have time to complain, but not time to discuss.....

    O.K. At least I know where you stand.
     
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    The only thing we have heard from the Republicans about jobs is empty promises that got them elected.

    First its don't raise taxes on the "job creators" - the top 2% of income earners because they create jobs DESPITE their absolute failure to create jobs in the past 10 years.

    Second its "america is broke". so much economic nonsense. The US isn't broke, has an issue with debt but the capacity to fix it. The US tbill remains the most liquid and trusted financial debt instrument on the planet which was proven by the S&P downgrade reaction.

    Third its cut spending. Yes, in a time of recession, the best thing to do is to cut the county's GDP by 1.5% and eliminate hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs. Yep, just cut all those social programs but don't you dare touch the "job creators" nor the corporate subsidies nor military spending.
    That economic plan can best be described as RECESSIONARY. It will contribute to the economic malaise in the short to medium term and do nothing to address the debt. It might reduce the deficit by a few hundred billion, but the debt itself is gonna sit there for a long long time to come.


    The republicans are banking on the fact that americans have incredibly short memories and tend to demand instant solutions.

    Witness the loss of trillions in consumer home equity in the space of a few months and by some miracle the american consumer thinks whatever economic damage that may have caused should be fixed 2 years later. Unreal expectations produce unreal election results.
     
  12. Radio Refugee

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    No, I don't think you do.

    You ever spend your free time reading Big Fed legislation for fun? Me neither. I'm not investing a couple hours to debate a bill that Republicans, many with my ideology, already found objectionable.

    Just to start, what is the cost of $100? 200? billion in SBA guarantees as outlined? And then the water gets deeper. What do you get for that? Please be quantitatively specific. I've gone to the SBA for funding and if it ever came to that again I'd simply plant charges at all four corners and turn it to rubble.

    You managed to highlight the little stuff. BFD.

    I could easily take half of that summary and celebrate it. There must be much in the way of hidden warts. Makes you wonder why the administration didn't break it into portions that would be guaranteed bi-partisan support. Oh, I know why. Dick Obama doesn't work that way.
     
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    Excuse me but you are one demanding an instant solution.

    Republicans are trying to get the government off of businesses back and return to a time when the president does not vilify those who create jobs.

    It takes effort to create the right atmosphere and then it takes time for the changes to pay off with more jobs.
     
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    No, I'm not demanding an instant solution, I am demanding an intelligent one however.

    Of those 2% - the job creators as you call them. How many jobs are they responsible for creating in the past 10 years?

    As for the right atmosphere, if the past few weeks of manufactured crisis where ********* rhetoric caused a downgrade resulting in tremendous volitility in stocks proved to everyone except the *********s that the debt and deficit needed to be addressed, but not in the crisis panic mode they created nor in the hatchet mode they have insisted on in reducing spending.
     
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    So you think there's warts there, but you aren't going to look for them and don't know what they are.....

    If you change your mind and get intellectually curious, you can read the bill here:
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5297 (or step back a link and go for the summary...


    That's pretty much what I was saying....you have no grounds to complain when your argument is based on ignorance and supposition that if the Republicans in the House didn't vote for it, it must have been horrible.

    Sad. They have a 13% approval rating and you are willing to lend them blind trust.
     

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