Ohio Bakery refuses birthday cake to lesbian

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  1. Perriquine

    Perriquine On hiatus Past Donor

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    A woman ordered a birthday cake from a bakery in Ohio. Apparently the baker accessed her facebook page, discovered from her posts there that she was a lesbian (the cake was for her wife's birthday; the two were only very recently married), and notified her by text message that the bakery was cancelling her order, because they don't do cakes for "same-sex weddings or parties".

    So much for the "it's not because they're gay - it's because they don't want to participate in a gay wedding" nonsense. (and why is the bakery accessing her facebook page in the first place? Weird.)

    http://www.13abc.com/content/news/S...-birthday-cake-by-local-bakery-385783221.html
     
  2. crank

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    While I personally disagree with their weirdness and their refusal, I defend their right to be weird and their right to refuse service.
     
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    Well we all knew that was a lie to begin with, it just sounded good.

    There is a non-discrimination ordinance in effect so I assume the government will step in. Canadians are also less tolerant of this crap so I don't expect her to make a fortune in donations either.

    Strange though, most of these cases stem around bakers... Who knew they were such judgmental pricks?
     
  4. Arkie

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    Snoopy bakery. The lesbian needs to find a lesbian bakery that would love to have her business instead of giving money to a nosey (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

    I mean...really? I go to the bakery, order a cake, and the bakery googles me? What's next? Get my address and press their noses to my bedroom window too? Geez.
    Let the bakery die a slow death with no business, but it IS their bakery. They pay the bills. Still...it sure is a creepy way to do biz.
     
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    Face book is a public space. So if the woman did not want anyone to know that she was gay she should not post on face book. Being a public space the bakery has every right to read face book.

    Tough !!!
     
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    Are you for real??? ^
     
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    Maybe they are judgemental " pricks" because there is something in the batter. Bakers roll differently. But don,t worry if the bakers get sued their supporters will get into the mix and stir up even sympathy that all people who support baker,s choice will rise to the occasion and really put the frosting on the cake.
     
  8. btthegreat

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    Except as far as we can tell, there is no 'right to refuse service' if legislatures decide there is a compelling reason to deny one. Civil rights laws have been challenged repeatedly. There is no constitutional right to own, or operate a business, let alone do it your way, for your favorite clientele , and employee only your favorite types of people. .
     
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    A "same-sex" birthday... That's a new one.



     
  10. PARTIZAN1

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    You don,t think that there us Constitutional right to own and run your own business? Are you serious?
     
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    The world is getting wierder and wierder. What next transgender cakes where a cake is born chocolate but decides that it is vanilla after you frost it?
     
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    The issue is that homosexuality is still considered a choice by the religious; which while understandable is just not true. Being gay is about as much as choice as it is to be a man or a woman. Now, transgenders, on the other hand are people with a mental health issue who need treatment.
     
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    Being gay may not be a choice but the acting out of their gayness us a choice.
     
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    Whether they're right or wrong, I don't see it matters. Being Jewish is a choice. We have too many real problems in this country to continue to tolerate this kind of childish distraction.

    Our economy toppled from the first in the world (by far) to the third in the last four years and moron cake makers are screening clients on Facebook to determine who is worthy of handing them money for baked goods.



     
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    Lesbians want to live life their own way and they want to stick their life style choices in other people's faces but they are critical of others who gave their own life style choice and beliefs. Somlhesbians wantbto gave their cake and eat it to.
     
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    That reads like you had a stroke while writing it.



     
  17. btthegreat

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    Nope. Government decides what you have to do to get a business license and decides whether you get to keep it.
     
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    There are health issues which demand that the government be involved in the running of many businesses and be able to shut those businesses down
    if they fail to meet certain standards. Do you object to that?

    How would you like to be sent to your local private hospital and be told, as your chest pains grow ... hey, sorry we don't serve your kind here ...

    There has to be limits.
     
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    The bakery is foolish to refuse service based upon sexual preference because they open themselves to legal problems. A wiser thing to do is provide the service, and then after being paid, proceed to inform the customer about how their lifestyle is unacceptable to God.

    In this way, the bakery owner wins by not opening himself to lawsuits because he provided the service and he gets paid for his work. He also wins when the customer becomes highly offended and spreads the news within the homosexual community to not patronize that particular business. The bakery owner wins again by exercising his freedom of speech & religion.
     
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    I'll assume you're joking. Pretty much every business on the face of the planet started and continued with a particular clientele in mind. And MANY use surreptitious tactics to 'redirect' the clientele they don't want. Some won't allow kids under a certain age (resorts and restaurants, mainly), some won't allow us to eat or drink on their premises. Some do not allow food brought in from outside (sporting venues and the like), etc etc. Businesses direct traffic according to their own lights. It's happens all day, every day, in every way - all over the planet. It's incredibly naïve to think this incident is some sort of unique event. The only unique thing about it is the stink made by the 'victim'.
     
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    This makes me want to start a cake-making operation just so can deny whoever I want a cake.
    You don't like it? Make your own cake.Geez.
    Here you go:
    [video=youtube;NkV3xKUUd1s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkV3xKUUd1s[/video]
     
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    Yes, and that's where the limits should be. At the hospital. Or school. Or access to welfare. Or any other 'essential' service.

    It shouldn't be at 'cakes'.
     
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    There's not much that's more prosaically annoying than people who plaster private information and photos all over facebook, then bleat in complaint when it's accessed for purposes other than to 'like' your 'amazing life'. It's like people who seek fame, then when public attention isn't positive (and it's ALWAYS going to be a mixed bag) they go nuts.
     
  24. btthegreat

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    I will stipulate to our national boundaries. Secondary to the whims of a legislative body, businesses may continue decide what kind of clientele they may refuse. The fact that it is secondary to the whims of a legislative body, means it is not a right of business, but an entitlement that comes and goes based on the pressures and desires of a bunch of politicians. Businesses are entitled by legislative bodies to refuse service for host of reasons, or any reasons excepting race, creed, gender, disability and in some jurisdictions sexual orientation. Because this entitlement is legislatively determined, it is the legislatures which have the right to determine who/ why and ho a business may refuse to serve and who how/ why that business may not.

    Libertarians love to create 'rights' they cannot back up with SCOTUS opinions. .
     
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    I have no idea what you mean by that last. I'm neither a libertarian, nor have any useful knowledge on SCOTUS (whatever that might actually be).
     

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