Ohio passes Issue 1 ballot measure enshrining abortion protections

Oh, we pick and choose when it suits. You describe women who “deliberately kill their babies for a whim”, but refrain from calling that “murder”, because you know you don’t have a legal leg to stand on. But then you play loose with the language with “baby” when it suits. If you were really the supporter of science that you claim, you would recognise that a “baby” is a human being, from the point of its birth onwards into the early stages of infancy… But that doesn’t match your empty argument, does it…?


What is the scientific term for babies?
Neonate – a newborn baby, up to 4 weeks of age. Newborn – a baby between birth and 4 weeks old.
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au...te – a newborn baby, up,birth and 4 weeks old.

Infant: A child under the age of 1 year; more specifically, a newborn baby. Stedman's Concise Medical Dictionary for Health Professionals. Definition of neonate. Neonate: birth to 28 days inclusive (first four weeks of birth)
https://www.health.gov.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/AgeDefinitions2012.pdf

So, a newborn age range can extend from birth to around 1 month, 2 months, or 3 months of age. However, your little one can also be referred to as a baby or infant during this time, up until they’re about 1 year old.
https://www.pampers.com/en-us/baby/development/article/newborn-baby-toddler-age

 

The mothers rigth to the liberty of her own body

 

Does the mother have liberty over her own body ?

 

All the negative health effects and risks of pregnancy, I bet 95% of women would accept if there was a magic pill that could help women lose weight, and those just happened to be the possible side effects of the pill.

Some women abort simply because they don't want to look fat for 9 months.

 

Why are the variety of women’s motives important to you…?

 

Wouldn't you say what the potential motives are is relevant to how important a particular freedom is?

 

No. That’s entirely the concern of the individual enjoying that freedom…no one else.

 

I am highly skeptical that you believe that when it comes to most any other political area that involves the issue of freedom.

 

Nonsense. For example, you and I enjoy the freedom of being able to vote in elections. No one requires us to explain why we exercise that freedom…it’s entirely our business.

 

Being able to vote in elections isn't a political issue that conservatives and progressives disagree about. Want to try again?

 

You’ve lost your way. Your argument was about motivations, not disagreements…
So, what motivates a women to terminate a pregnancy is entirely (with the possible inclusion of a partner) her business…

 

It’s her body!

Just WOW…

 

What I was attempting to point out was about hypocrisy.

 

Attached to and surrounding someone else's body.

Another body she put there. Her child.

The woman is just as responsible for the seed being planted as the man is.

If I'm a scientist and start a fetus growing in an artificial incubation tank, I have a responsibility to see the process through to completion, and not flush the developing human fetus down the garbage disposal.
Would anyone deny this?

 

What do you mean by "liberty"? Does she have liberty over someone else's own body? Do you have the "liberty" to kill someone who is causing you some inconveince? Do you have a right to life?

You ignore the fact there are TWO people involved here.

 

The baby is NOT her body, it is another totally separate human being which in an abortion is killed.

 

Nothing picked and chosen just the plain simple fact in plain simple language. You keep insisting that abortion be called murder? Why is that? Murder is something defined under the law, just a homicide. For the killing of a human being in an abortion to be murder an LAW has to be passed declaring it as such. AFAIK no state nor the federal governemnt has such a law. When they do then feel free to bring murder into the discussion, until then it is specious to insert it.

There is nothing false about the vast majority of abortions are done because the mother simply chooses to kill baby because she does not want it to live. It may be for economic reasons, it may be because she doesn't want to be bothered a child and would rather kill it that allowing a desperate couple to adopt it. They are indiscriminate and because the mother does not want to be inconveinenced by the baby.

"Baby" is simple common language and is used from conception to adolesence.

Let's see what is a baby

Family Doctor:
Taking Care of You and Your Baby While You’re Pregnant
https://familydoctor.org/taking-care-of-you-and-your-baby-while-youre-pregnant/

Safe Baby Monitor:
How To Take Care Of Your Unborn Baby
https://www.safebabymonitor.com/take-care-unborn-baby/

US Department of Health and Human Servies
Right now, your OB or midwife is monitoring the health of your unborn baby.
https://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/getting-ready-baby/health-care-baby/

Fox Valley Mother and Unborn Baby Care, Inc.
https://www.fvmubc.org/

Ankura Hospital
Prenatal Care: Protection For Your Unborn Baby
https://www.ankurahospital.com/prenatal-care-protection-for-your-unborn-baby/

WebMD
Bonding With Baby Before Birth
Making a connection with your unborn child can strengthen the bond you share, make you feel closer, and enrich you and your baby's lives.
https://www.webmd.com/baby/features/bonding-with-baby-before-birth#1

Your Baby's Growth and Development In the Third Trimester of Pregnancy
https://www.webmd.com/baby/pregnancy-your-babys-growth-development-months-7-to-9

University of California San Francisco
Tobacco, alcohol and drugs can have harmful effects on anyone's health. When a pregnant or nursing woman uses these substances, her baby also is exposed to them, for all substances cross the placenta through the umbilical cord and enter into the baby's bloodstream.
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/substance_use_during_pregnancy/

National Institute of Health
"you can take steps to keep yourself and your baby healthy throughout pregnancy, and after."
https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2017/01/pregnancy-beyond


How about internationally

Britians NHS
Antenatal care and the baby's development
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/

So if you are arguing with me you are arguing with them and claiming to know better than they. The question is why the aversion to use our common language when defending abortion?

 

Until it has the ability to survive outside the womb, its the mothers body.

But lets use your definition, and lets say, every time a man jacks off he is killing thousands of potential humans, then he should be charged with murder then right ?

 

No there isnt. There is a human being, and there is a pile of goo.

But since you believe that the potential for life exists, and that is what you are hanging your heart on, should you be arrested and charged with murder if you masturbate, since their is a potential life there also….right ?

 

No its not. Its a pile of goo that has POTENTAIL to be a fully formed human

But since you think that it is a human, please tell us what it was like in your moms womb ?

Serious question BG, do you support the death penalty ?

 

It is as fully formed as every human being was at that stage of their life and never must "goo", what an uninformed statement to make.

And niw the inane questions? I don't kniw what was it like the day after you were born?

Do I believe babies are guilty if a capital crime?

 

False, the human being is created at conception and for you to conflate a sperm with a human being only further shows you have no knowledge of biology and embryology my postings citing the textbooks ince again ignored.

 

Again, it is not a viable HUMAN at this stage.

If you cannot survive outside the womb, it is not a viable human being.

Then explain how you can be pro-death penalty, and not support a womans right to her own body ?

 

The foetus is indeed not her body, but it is attached to it and draws sustenance from it. It is not legally a human being and therefore does not enjoy the same protection under law that the woman does. As has been pointed out to you many times, it is her choice to disengage the sustenance to that fetus if she so wishes...regardless of her motivation for doing so...

 

Nonsense. Everybody knows. While not organisms themselves both sperm and ovum are living tissue. Life was there prior to conception. Conception simply starts the process of producing a new human being.