OK, was it wrong to bomb Japan?

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  1. Flare

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    The Sudetenland was cut off from Germany after WW I due to the Treaty of Versailles. This left hundreds of thousands of enthnic Germans in the new country Czechoslovakia. By 1936 they got discriminated and violated by the Czechs. After peace talks failed, Hitler demanded the territory back, or he would go in and take it.

    And indeed, after table talks Germany got the Sudetenland back (Munich-agreement), and later the rest of the country without a bullet fired.

    However, this got nothing to do with the US instigating war with Japan btw.
     
  2. Vegas giants

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    And then Poland and France and Belgium.....lol
     
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    Again...please review the History of WWII before making up anything else.

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    By the way....at the time there was no such thing as a "Joint Chiefs of Staff".
     
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    At least you don't deny the military experts of the time were against dropping the bomb.....and they knew a lot more about it than you
     
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    Actually they were against it after using it....as was everybody else.
    "Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, for his part, stated in his memoirs that when notified by Secretary of War Henry Stimson of the decision to use atomic weapons, he “voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives…” He later publicly declared “…it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.” Even the famous “hawk” Maj. Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Twenty-First Bomber Command, went public the month after the bombing, telling the press that “the atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.”
     
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    Is that your expert opinion? The second bomb was dropped on August 9. Apparently another would have been ready to go on the 19th.

    http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/72.pdf

    My math is fuzzy, but I don't think that's months. Stalin got the message. It's why he didn't get all of Berlin despite it being so far behind Soviet lines.
     
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    Stalin didn't get all of Berlin because of Yalta. The bomb had nothing to do with it.
     
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    Thank you for proving my point. It was not needed to drop the bomb
     
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    You do know that Hitler just stole from neighboring countries.That is how he
    partially funded his massive Military Complex.Hitler just up and declared
    neighboring small country as part of Germany and taxed them and took whatever
    he needed.Plus he robbed everywhere he invaded.Stole from France's
    greatest art museums.Dresden was the spot that was carpet bombed into Oblivion.
    The Russkies were the ones who blew into Berlin { the First city of Neon lights }.
     
  10. Robert

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    A very good book that the Democrats will deny is good explains that.

    [​IMG]

    Yes, if you smash the dogs face, do not act shocked when it bites back.

    Funny how actual articles like those show up and prove we were not caught by surprise.
     
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    How exactly would Hitler have stolen from anywhere when Russian troops had Berlin totally surrounded?
     
  12. Robert

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    The Japanese were warned. It was not necessary they remained to get killed.
     
  13. Foolardi

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    If you had any Idea as to the Naval battles that the United States could easily
    have lost { The U.S. was reduced to a single aircraft carrier } and that the Japanese
    naval fleet was far superior and the loss of life in the Coral Sea and at Midway,
    Guadacanal and even Wake island.Japan was determined to wipe the United
    States off the map in the pacific.They came perilously close.The U.S. actually
    Lucked out.If it wasn't for our perserverance at Intelligence and breaking the
    Japanese code regarding the attack on Midway,the War in the Pacific would
    have had an entirely different result.
     
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    I agree...we could have simply surrounded Japan and starved everyone until they died instead of killing 1% in such a way that they gave up. We also "Could Have" never stepped foot in the Middle East...unfortunately we did.
     
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    Yes OP, it was wrong to bomb two cities off the face of the planet.

    Anyone who understands the concepts of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and/or state terrorism understands this.
     
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    So, killing them very slowly beats a fast death?

    Actually I am surprised that so few watched the video. It is not a long video. And it is backed up with facts.

    Some must not respect the killing power of the bombs we were already using. We wiped cities off the map with what was then ordinary weapons. People died during those raids.

    Now posters drifted away from Japan and are dealing with the Soviets and even Hitler.
     
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    Japan was ready to surrender. The bomb was a horrible war crime
     
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    Were you speaking of the public or the property?

    The public was warned early to get out that if they stayed, they were in danger of perishing.
     
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    Again the level of total ignorance regarding Hitler and his underground
    tunnels and bunkers loaded to the gills with art treasures and money.
    You mean all that comes as news to you.
    How do you think guys like Joseph Mengele { angel of death } were able to
    live comfortably for decades as he escaped to South America.
    Mengele had orders to steal even the gold fillings from the teeth of
    Concentration camp victims.You mean you didn't know that.?
     
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    Is 10 days months? I'm legitimately curious.

    Did Stalin keep his word after Yalta?

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    It may or may not have saved a lot of lived in a potential invasion of Japan, but it forced Stalin to back off and put an end to his ambitions which may have prolonged war.
     
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    Let me say only this much to the moral issue involved: Suppose Germany had developed two bombs before we had any bombs. And suppose Germany had dropped one bomb, say, on Rochester and the other on Buffalo, and then having run out of bombs she would have lost the war. Can anyone doubt that we would then have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and that we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them?

    --Albert Einstein, Eugene Wigner and Leó Szilárd of Manhattan Project fame
     
  22. Robert

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    Had you watched the video, you would know Japan was not about to surrender. That myth still has legs. I have no clue why a few people allege Japan would just quit.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/pacific-japans-plan/

     
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    what military strategic value was Buffalo and Rochester, during WW2?

    Hiroshima and Nagazaki both were very valuable to the Japanese war machine
     
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    I think a mainland invasion may have cost many more lives.
     
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