Oklahoma transgender student dies after allegedly assaulted by students at school

They got in a fight in the bathroom with another trans student, according to the article and they also got suspended previously as well. None of which is a good reason to beat a teenager to death.

 

I'm not dancing around anything. You are! You're dancing around the fact that LAME LIBERAL POLICY enabled these MURDERERS to do this, because if not for those LAME LIBERAL POLICIES, HE wouldn't have been in the SHE bathroom. Plus we don't know the details. He could have tried to rape them (as many trans people in womens bathrooms and prisons tend to do) and they were defending themselves. All the information is not out yet, but no worries, we will get it FAST. way faster than the memphis shooter, that I can guarantee

 

Oh so you don't know why the fighting was happening but you're saying they beat the transgender student to death. That's why that person died?

 

It is an obsession for some. Hating on one of the smallest & least powerful groups in society serves some purpose for them. I can't pretend to understand that sort of thinking, though it seems to come as part of a set of such attitudes toward pretty much anyone who looks or acts different to them. They also act as if they are victims of some sort, which is even more bizarre.

 

Different views doesn’t mean better ones, all I have to do is read a lot of your and other posters comments to know that. A lot of you guys are very anti-trans and anti-LGBT and even anti-black, it shows every day and I’ve commented on how many kinds of posts like that there are. If you expect me to be tolerant of your views, have less shitty viewpoints then. Pretty straightforward there.

 

Sure. We don't know what it's like to be someone else. All human beings deserve, at least initially, the application of the good 'ole "golden rule".

I'm asking you specifically how does one show empathy towards a person that believes they are the opposite sex?

I see a lot of assumptions in a story that's decidedly limited in facts though.

 

Like those dirty unvaccinated people and Trumpers amirite?

 

Nope. I'll tell you what we are.

a. We're anti pushing trans nonsense, and sexuality in general, onto children.
b. We're anti being told we have to affirm and participate in other people's mental illnesses

If a man wants to wear a dress and cut his penis off, go right ahead.

We're not going to call you a woman or let you read books to our kids, though.

Pretty straightforward.

 

Wow really? EVERY DAY? PROVE IT!
and make sure you actually know what you are looking at.

Being anti gender affirming care (a fancy alias for child genital MUTILATION) stuffed down kids throats doesn't = anti-trans

Being anti-DEI and AA does not = anti-black

Disliking Obama's policies doesn't = anti-black

Anti LGBT? That's 4 different things. You also left out the 2S folks. Do those not matter? Are you anti 2spirit people?

I'll be waiting for proof of anti-black and anti-trans people on here. (remember to be transphobic you have to hate trans, not hate the idea of a doctor forcing a 5 year old to become trans, HUGE difference). Also, disagreeing with a black person doesn't make one racist, it just means you disagree with someone (HUGE DIFFERENCE)
So I think first you actually have to understand what being anti-something is and then maybe you can make some progress.

OK I'll be waiting. Since you claim this constantly happens on here it should be VERY easy to find. You got 20 minutes. Ready..................GO!!!!

 

Good grief! Calm the **** down, will ya?

Where did I say anything about the race of the perpetrators? Or their political leanings?

Geebus. Knee-jerk much?

 

You don’t know all the details but a bunch of you don’t have an issue saying it’s someone or something else’s fault the kid is dead or claiming lots of trans people try to commit rape in women’s bathrooms. Okay chief.

 

Funny how they're finally taking "trans" women out of female prisons and putting them back in male prisons.

I wonder why that happened.

 

Why the fight happened? It was the culmination of over a year of constant bullying by the three girls on the victims

 

Oh so the three girls that you're saying beat this person to death also bullied this person for over a year.

What did they do over the course of that year and was the school aware?

 

Some of the books people take issue with go into some nice detail describing sexual acts or have illustrations, so when Dems claim there’s NO PROBLEM with them u have to question what the heck they’re looking at or how they raised their children because if you’re talking about oral sex with your elementary aged kids, that’s Fd up. Now they want TEACHERS talking with their kids about it? Wah?

 

You mean a male sex offender (with a penis) that suddenly identified as female and put in a WOMEN'S prison is a bad idea? Who would have thought??

 

I don't seem to have gotten a reply. Maybe you will.

 

I was as shocked as you.

 

Smallest? Yes. Least powerful? Are you CRAZY The fact a tiny insignificant portion of the population can have laws CHANGED, language changed, get people fired for disagreeing with them, you don’t know what power is. That is POWERFUL!!! Very powerful. No other minority has as much power as the Trans movement right now. The fact mentally il people have convinced vast swaths that of the country that it’s OK for men to play sports against women or use each others bathrooms openly or change drivers licenses etc. that is POWER!!!

 

My first response also included my comment about this death being a shame, you kinda left that part out sorta like people leave parts out of Trump's 'fine people' comment. So what would you have me say, thoughts and prayers? I say the girls, if they actually murdered that boy, should have the book thrown at them, and I'm guessing the types of punishment the left will want for them will depend on what boxes they check.

For various reasons a lot of people don't want this gender stuff forced on them. You might say 'who is it hurting?' Well, if I put on black face and got an afro, who is that hurting?

A while back I said my city has been immune to all this tranny stuff, probably because it's a majority of Catholic Mexican types. However, recently my wife said she saw two grown men at Walmart on two different occasions trying to pass themselves off as women and she said they looked hideous - and they were white. Around these parts it will probably be a long time until I see Juan try to pass himself off as Juanita.

 

yeah, I would not use that term, in this case I would say "bruises all over the victims face" and "with scratches on the back of the victims head"

ways to word things that make more sense and still be respectful

 

Highlighted in red: Thanks for actually having a discussion. I can only answer with what I do. If someone wants to be referred to as her/she I do my best to abide by that. Makes no difference to me what they want to be called, just be consistent, and understand mistakes if the given name if "Frank" and someone mistakenly says "him" instead. Same with a name, if they want to be called "Bill" and their name is Sandra on documents, I call them Bill.
I guess by keeping in mind that what they identify as isn't a big deal to me, and accept how they perceive themselves. Most people who identify as the opposite sex just want to be accepted in that way, and why should that bother me? Don't we all really want that ultimately?
It surely means not assaulting them, or belittling them or doing anything else 'mean' to them. Just treat them as I would anyone else. Unless, that is, if that person is mean or demeaning to others. Like the trans person in Nashville who shot up the school. I have no sympathy for them, but in the end, I have to accept that they are trans. The people that person shot didn't deserve the wrath, and that's where the line was crossed.
Hope that helps.................

 

You're the one who said the book would be sexual in nature. Pretty warped to believe that

 

the news article is from an alternative lifestyle web site

 

Yeah I'm glad to have a discussion. Thank you.

Is a person asking me, (and in a lot of cases getting violent about it/demanding it) to call them "she" when it's a man, empathetic? Are my opinions (and basic science) being respected?

See that's the problem.

Which group coined words like "birthing person, chest feeder, cis" etc?

Is that empathy?

Should we be "empathetic" that they want to push these ideas onto children?

You suggested that they just want to be "accepted in that way". That's the problem. It's not empathetic to ask/demand us to accept a fake reality. Are there any other situations where people are expected to accept what everyone knows is not true? Should I expect people to treat me like I'm rich, or 6'8, or a professional cello player?

Is it empathetic to ignore a couple thousand years of science and feed someone's delusions?

Should we do that with drug addicts? Someone with bulimia? Do we hand someone with xenomelia an axe?

The problem they have is that their movement IS demeaning, and aggressive, and pushed towards children.