One Christian who fought back.

so was he wrong to exercise his freedom of speech?

 

Church is private property.

 

See, that's the funny thing. Some who said the kid was in the wrong cited their claim Jesus condemned praying in public. What they were referring to was when Jesus addressed the hypocrits and Pharisees for being seen praying in the synagogue.

 

That's semantics. Church is in public.

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Speaking of which, what about players voluntarily praying before or after a game? What about a player acknowledging God in an interview or just after a play?

 

I saw nothing in the article about him being banned from expressing his religious views. The article mentions the removal of an official prayer.

 

Then dazzle us with an argument about the verse rather than attack the messenger

 

I don't have to "dazzle" (as if I could) anyone, as it seems some of the others on here, got it right.

Thats just funny, dazzle. Would a mechanic "dazzle" by setting the timing on your vehicle?

 

Freedom of speech, like all freedoms, is not absolute.

 

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A mechanic would do the work, not blame the customer.
Where did someone parse the verse in this thread?

 

If any of those things are legally allowed to be barred, than people would be in the wrong for doing them. I personally don't have a problem if someone says a prayer before or after a sporting event or mentions God in an interview. I am an atheist, but I don't get worked up over any mention of God. But, the kid did break the rules and therefore has subjected himself to punishment because the school administration does have the power to limit religious expression during school events. What that punishment would be, I have no idea, if he even gets one. I already said I would not want him arrested over something like that, and that a lawsuit would be a frivolous one. I actually don't care if he gets punished at all, because while I think what he did was dumb, it's hardly any kind of crime. However, I do believe that both public and private schools have a right to set what is acceptable and what is not within the confines of the school, as long as those rules do not violate the law.

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I'll leave those biblical discussions to people with biblical knowledge. You guys can argue over what happened in your story books all you want.

 

Golly.....what a brave soul.

He just made baby Jesus smile.

 

And a lot of poor kids never got taught beyond a 6th grade level. Certainly a time to look highly on.

 

I don't think they necessarily "parsed" or "exegeted" the verse. But, they corrected the error. I was correct in that you're saying "Jesus said not to pray in public", correct? If that wasn't your point, then Ill apologize.

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Could you further expand on that statement for me, please?

 

Are you ever going to address the verse or do we just continue to watch your dance solo?

 

There's not much to expand on. Freedom of speech is more about the press than anything else, so it doesn't extend to include anything that someone could possibly say anywhere. Otherwise there would be nothing stopping students from swearing at their teachers and disrupting class while citing their freedom of speech.

 

So in support of this man's "freedom of speech" it would have been all right to you if he talked smut and say the F word?

 

So says the statist.

 

Read my post again. I wrote, "Some who said the kid was in the wrong cited their claim Jesus condemned praying in public." So, claims were made which certainly are not the case regarding the context.

 

Yes, I am a statist, but more than that, I am an orgnizationalist(I just made that up). Only by working together under a common theme has humanity lifted itself out of nomadic tribes and primitive thinking. Like all things, it needs to be balanced, I don't feel the state should control everything by any means. However, I also don't believe there is anything absolute, even the right to life. In order for something to be absolute, it must be made that way by something with the authority to declare it as such. There is nothing in this entire world that has that power, governments included.

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Yes I know. That's why I responded the way I did, because debates regarding biblical context are not my cup of tea, nor an area that I am particularly knowledgeable in. I think it's moot anyway, because what happened in the bible has nothing to do with reality.

 

Public schools force students into once-size-fits-all syllabi when schooling should very much be catered to the child.

These comparisons are apples and oranges. At that time all countries had poor education. There's no indication that if you gave back the billions in tax the Federal government spends on schooling to the taxpayers that it'd be any more inefficient. Quite the opposite. The only real difference would be that the people who pay for the education would get the education. If you want to redistribute wealth then fine, go ahead and do so - don't integrate it into the public school system. I'd much prefer it if you taxed like you do now, then just gave that back to families with kids in the form of education vouchers and the such.

The question when it comes to public schooling is only - "which is more efficient, the government or private enterprise". The rest is smoke and mirrors.

 

1. From what I could glean from the article the boy was never instructed to not make religious references, he was protesting a decision to not have a formal public prayer to open the ceremonies. In fact, a school spokesperson said they weren't going to discipline him for talking about his faith.

2. 2000 years a go a christian who publicly professed his faith like this risked being arrested, thrown in prison, crucified or fed to the lions. This kid made a prayer public in front of a predominantly christian audience in a predominantly christian school. He risked nothing. If this is the new definition of christian heroics, well that's just sad.

3. Maybe his name should be submitted for beatification?

 

And If he had said some Muslim prayer, the crowd would have tried to hang him. Christians are only ok with shoving religion in everyone's face when it's theirs. They would have had an even bigger fit if it was a school endorsed Muslim prayer.

Exactly. What a bunch of idiots. They pretend they're Christians, but they (*)(*)(*)(*) on the words of Jesus every day. Such irony.

Oh, well, gee, since they do it all of the time, I guess what Jesus has to say about it no longer matters. I guess since so called Christians cheat on their spouses and divorce all of the time, that makes that ok as well.

 

Does not matter what YOU consider them, they are still a religion and the funny part is by your own words you consider Jews and Christians as Satanic religions since they both believe in the same GOD as the Muslims, the GOD of Abraham, the name each uses does not matter.

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So, your point is what?

 

Looks like just another overly dramatic teenager. Nothing in the article indicates that he stood up for anything. I agree with Alfalfa: "If this is the new definition of christian heroics, well that's just sad."

 

In the arena of modern christian persecution, this guy is Rosa parks.