One Christian who fought back.

John 11-"They took the stone away", They indicating in public, outside of a tomb, with mary, Martha, and other jews......very public.

Since just that one alone proves Jesus was in public, there's no need to go on.

But I am curious, where did He "deny" the audience in 12?

 

it says that the government shall pass no law that interferes in the free practice of religion, or that establishes a state sponsored religion.

The Christian Right want Christian prayers to be allowed, and often mandated, as part of public events, but want other religions barred from doing so. This violates the SoCaS because it sponsors Christianity over other religions.

The government is not allowed to support or deny any religion, nor the lack of religion. They must be secular, and religious beliefs can not play a part in public events. As I said, this guy was not banned from prayer, he was merely told he can not do it as part of his official speech. If he wanted to pray, he could have done so by himself before the speech, or even with some Christian students, since they are allowed to have their own student led prayer groups.

 

Where do people get this idea that atheists somehow are less critical of Islam compared to Christianity? If anything, there are some atheists (like Sam Harris) who have been accused of being Islamophobes. Wacky ideas are wacky, regardless of the topic.

 

It feeds into their CPC (christian persecution complex) and makes them feel good.

 

In this case the Christian Hero is someone who is disrespectful of the school, the constitution and the supreme court.

I understand the duty of civil disobedience. We just had the anniversary of that guy
bravely standing in front of the tanks in Beijing. Civil disobedience is only a virtue when the govt is in the wrong, tho.

The hero of the school prayer was not standing up for what is right, he was indulging himself. And of course, disobeying what Jesus said about making a spectacle of prayer.


The theos are awful hard up for heros, martyrs and persecution. We know those are big time values, but, such bottom of barrel scraping they have to do to find any!

 

We present you: Jim and Tammy! Jimmy the Swag! "Anal" Roberts!

 

They had the kid on Fox yesterday, making a hero out of him. I was about to throw up.

 

He ruined it when he used the satanic version....

 

As if you understood it well enough to know when it's being disrespected. Please.

Well it ain't like anybody but constitutional illiterates could have much respect for it after NFIB v Sebelius, let's face it.

 

As you know better what the constitution says than the supremes do, we feel we must
leave you to continue the game alone. Turn the lights out when you leave.

 

What it says is not a matter of controversy. What it means, OTOH, I understand better than at least four Justices (setting Roberts aside as a likely victim of intimidation) - which isn't saying a whole lot, considering I have that in common with the average plumber...

...so is it not a shame that the average plumber understands the Constitution better than you do?

 

Why are the anti-Christians so offended by it? It's not like they'll go to hell if they are exposed to expressions of religion. Secularists are too touchy.

Or at least they pretend to be. In fact, they have to be pretending because no sane person would get upset at a Nativity scene. Only a very disturbed person would go around all day looking for things to get upset about. Very girlyman, if you ask me. But I won't be upset if you don't ask me. See what I mean?

 

Do you feel the same way about people that get upset about gay marriage?
Or that don't believe in pro-choice?

 

What's being a muslim have anything to do with what he said - a valedictorian speaking about what made him who he is?

 

Not saying that Christians don't seek personal adulation, just that they're not supposed to.... I remember something about the meek and their inheritance...?

 

If he were a muslim, and talked about his religion making him "who he is", he would not have received the same praise from the audience.... that's all I'm saying.

 

It would be fun to have a voodoo worshiper give a speech and then for him to whip out a chicken and cut its head off and sprinkle the blood around while praying. They'' lock him up for the next 50 years although he was merely praying to his deity and expressing thanks for its help and guidance.

As H.L. Mencken said in 1918 = "in the United States, alone among the great nations of history, there is a right way to think and a wrong way to think in everything...in the most trivial matters of everyday life."

 

i suppose muslims are anti christian. I never ran across anyone who was anti christian, tho nearly everyone I know is atheist.

I suppose anti christians are upset by anything christian. We notice a few christians are deeply offended by atheists. They will get into a lot of stereotyping and extreme statements, I ran across one who says he prays daily for "Word" to start killing the atheists.

To say that "secularists' are "so touchy" is of course most unreasonable so we will assume you indulged in a bit of hyperbole or just sloppy writing such as we all do.

Id not get upset at a nativity scene myself, they are quite nice. I see how others would tho, have a complaint if public funds were used in some way for that. Its really quite impossible to sort out how much should be spent for other religions, to keep it fair and balanced.
And really, the constitution of the USA has been interpreted to say that public money is not to be spent promoting any religion.

That would not of course be a description of those who feel that the constitution should be honoured in matters of public funds / religion.

There is such a variety of crazy people, maybe someone does that.
Whether that is "girlyman" doesnt matter much, I guess. This odd character is not really the topic, any more than my "kill the atheist" individual is.

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hypothetical hypocrisy is a weak argument, dont you think so? It is so hannity.

 

Its a shame you cant talk about something without the nasty personal side notes. How that relates to your notion of superiority to selected supremes, who knows.

The constitution says what the supremes interpret it to mean.

 

Clearly you have not paused for so much as a nanosecond to examine the basis of this pronouncement, much less consider its implications.

 

This guy is bound and determined to shove his religion down everyone else's throat. Guys like this start wars and then proclaim what good Christians they are.

 

As noted before, ill mannered personal remarks. That has clear implications.

 

I suppose a perfectly reasonable deduction from your claim as juxtaposed against the Constitution could be so characterized, given the determination to avoid realization of the absurdity of said claim.

Do tell.

 

Although you claim to be an Agnostic - , and apparently tolerant towards some Abrahamic belief systems i.e. Christianity - however your siggy sound extremely intolerant/disrespectful towards Mormonism + Islam.


btw - Allah if not only how Muslims refer to God - All Arabic speaking Christians Arabs in their prayers also pray to Allah.

Allah is the Arabic name for God . Listen to Fairouz she's a Christian Arab


[video=youtube;zjsvoCoXszQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjsvoCoXszQ[/video]


I don't blame you , as most people in the West, particularly in America are ignorant and don't know that Allah is God to Arabic speaking Christians.

Open your mind - Watch - Listen - Learn and educate yourself :

[video=youtube;ZB1egeYWUeo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1egeYWUeo[/video]

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Depending on the audience. If there were only a handful of Muslims in the audience, will they applaud loudly? Of course, the current political situation(s) may intimidate Muslims from drawing attention to themselves by applauding....I'm simply speculating here.

And depending on the message, too. The message from the Christian valedictorian was simply giving some credits to his parents, and full credit to God - glorifying Him by reciting the Lord's Prayer.

Mind you, the Muslim speaker may also receive the same praise for simply having the guts to speak out.