One Clear Negative To Trump for 2024. Presently being ignored, but...

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  1. Lucky1knows

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    There is one clear negative to Trump being -re-elected in 2024 that is being presently ignored but will be one of the key issues that will highly likely prevent him from winning is:

    In 2016, Trump came into the election picture by stating the things that many people were mad about and that they considered injustices that had to be addressed and changed. As such, Trump was looked upon as a savior, as a potential hero that would help the "people" get what they needed, what they deserved, and what they wanted to get.

    He came into the picture thinking of the people and not of himself.

    That has changed 180 degrees as these days it is all about Trump and not about the people. It is about the injustices that are being done to him and not about the injustices being done to the people. It is not about the issues facing America but about the issues that he personally is facing. It is about him and not about others.

    When people go to vote in 2024, it will not be about what is best for them but what is best for Trump, and that is not something that will unite the Republicans as most people by nature think of themselves first and then others (sometimes) Trump is not offering that right now and that, in and of itself, will make it extremely difficult for all Republicans to vote for him.

    This OP is an opinion piece but one based on strong knowledge of human behavior. In other words, based on common sense.

    What say you, Republicans?
     
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    I'm not a Republican, but I voted for Biden in 2020 and regret it

    As we get closer to the election, I expect Trump to focus more on the disaster of the Biden admin

    I think that there will be a bigger than expected Anti-Biden vote among independents

    You only need 40Kish votes switched in a few states vs 2020 and Trump wins
     
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    I say that what he said is true.... " They are not after me, they're after you and I am just standing in the way".

    They can't stand the fact that an outsider one and they can't stand the fact that there's any possibility that he could possibly do it again.

    He had the lowest unemployment of minorities and women in history.... They also hate that he accomplished that.

    One of the first things that Biden did in office after he got done canceling all those pipeline jobs..... Was to put the brakes on the efforts of the Trump administration to lower the cost of insulin....

    Then 2 years later Biden gets it done and takes all the credit.... They can't stand when anyone but them makes anything good happen for the American people.......

    And by that I mean everyone..... Not just special victim groups that can be relied upon for their vote
     
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    You actually think that most people are worrying about "they are coming after me" and vote for the person that will not allow that to happen? That personal persecution is more important to people than wages, health, safety, social security, education, etc?

    After all, what has happened to Trump has never before happened to any other president, meaning that persecution of a person has never been a big issue in the voting. In addition, the truth is that Trump has been a "character that generates negative reactions to him all his life" and most people are not like Trump, so why would they fear persecution and make it the #1 issue of any election?

    I think you are totally wrong. Yes, it is an issue right now because THEIR IDOL is being persecuted and they are outraged but when they go to vote, the people will vote for the person that is out to help them with their important issues (mentioned above) and not vote about the person that is always looking to defend himself and that has actually been accused 3 times already (officially and with the laws on the accusers side) and by November 2024, will likely have accused and indicted 7-10 times. That is Trump (himself) and not what happens to the normal person.
     
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    You mean to say that the Trump administration was not a disaster also? That people will vote to elect an already guaranteed disaster to get rid of another disaster?

    I don't think so.
     
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    2016 was an election where most Americans didn’t want neither Trump nor Clinton to become their next president. Trump took advantage of this by winning the independent voter 46-42 over Clinton with 12% voting third party against both Trump and Clinton. That came out to be some 8 million voters who went to the polls to with the only thought in their minds of voting against both major party candidates.


    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx


    Hillary Clinton ended up being a bit more disliked by independents than Trump in 2016 and that made all the difference. It wasn’t that neither one was wanted, both weren’t. At least for the independent voter. 2016 was decided by those who voted for the candidate they least wanted to lose, not win, but least wanted to lose.


    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf


    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls


    2016 was an election where obnoxious, uncouth, rude won over aloof, elitist, know it all with a fake smile. Fact is both Hillary Clinton and Trump set the record for the lowest favorable and highest unfavorable ratings of any presidential candidates in our history. Hillary’s 38% overall favorable, Trump’s 36% favorable broke Barry Goldwater’s lowest favorable mark 43% set back in 1964. They also demolished Barry’s highest unfavorable mark of 47% with Hillary’s at 56% total unfavorable and Trump’s 60% unfavorable. When you had two dregs from the bottom of the barrel nominated by our major parties, one of them had to win. Not that a majority of Americans wanted either one.
     
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    The government seems to have forgotten that they work for us not the other way around.

    Some famous person said it best..... When the government fears the people there is freedom, when people fear the government there is tyranny.

    You have an entire Washington DC full of people who have made careers out of being dictators. They have turned Congress into their personal retirement home. They are not accountable to anyone. They write the laws to their advantage and it's a joke to expect any of them to investigate themselves or hold themselves accountable. Trump's biggest sin was that he came in as an outsider and they could not stand that.

    And that's truly what it was all about with him
     
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    I'll worry about that next time I pay off someone to keep quiet when I run for president
     
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    People worry most about their personal problems. Washington is a secondary issue and way down the line of importance. People worry about food, income, health, personal security and anything that touches their lives in their own neighborhoods. If Trump is handling all these attacks on him, how can he handle anything else for any other person? Yes, right now the voters are paying attention to what is happening to Trump as there is nothing else that pertains to them personally that is up for vote at this time. When they go to vote in 2024, they will vote for the person that can help them and that won't be Trump because he will still be too busy handling his OWN problems.

    If you can't see this fact as being a fact, it likely means that you do not understand people/humanity at all.
     
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    You don't know how to multitask and compartmentalize? I've been doing it all my life. Trump has most likely been doing it longer than I have and with more complicated matters.
     
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    1 thing wrong with your analysis : trump would have been, and potentially is, a far greater disaster. to give him the button again would be a dire mistake.
     
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    I had no intention of voting for Trump this time around but I never realized just how much hatred there was for this man. Dislike? Very understandable. The more we learn since the last election I am convinced that the last election was manipulated in Bidens favor. We seem to have a group of people in Washington who have bought off some senior people in the justice system and have coerced the media to carry their water. I pray for America as it was the last bastion of Freedom of thought and rights for the minority as well as the majority. Now it all is under attack. Neither side is innocent. Our institutions of higher learning are becoming intolerant of dissent and opposing views. Each class seems to be leaping into boxes and stamping themselves as FRAGILE. OPEN WITH CARE. DO NOT STACK WITH UNLIKE BOXES. Our children have been abandoned to the mothers, fathers and teachers of the internet. Has the age of consent been so lowered that children can change their body parts before they reach the age sound reasoning? Have we replaced the tenant's of Moses with the Devil's advocate? I learned a long time ago that if you are a good manager of the things you own that you may be given more to manage, but, if you are a bad manager of what you have been given you will start losing those things. God help America.
     
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    I didn't find Trump to be a disaster. Mediocre at worst. Under Biden prices are up, stocks down and we've been sucked into a war.
     
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    Only those who drank the Koolaid believed this. We heard it all the time, that he was a man of the people. It simply wasn't true.
     
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    That's one of the greatest, and most dangerous, cons of all time. Trump made himself the champion of the aggrieved while acting in his own best interests to the detriment of the marks he suckered.........right out in the open. You have to be a master con artist to pull that off.
     
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    Spot on.......and blatantly obvious to all but the conned.
     
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    Each man sees is different. I thought he was a disaster.
    Inflation is world-wide (not Biden's fault), Stocks are down because of inflation and interest rates having risen because of it, and the war was caused by Putin (not Biden) and we are members of NATO for decades and as such, by the laws of the agreement, we had to get involved.

    None of this is Biden's fault.
     
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    None? Then exactly what is he responsible for? Only the good stuff.
     
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    Your opinion about Washington having bought off some senior people in the justice system is opinion that has not been verified in any way. There are no investigations about it. Trump's actions have had investigations into them.

    The rest of your post is all about fear ranting and has no verified truths attached.
     
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    Some people are so narrow minded they can look through a key- hole with both eyeballs. If the shoe fits , wear it.
     
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    I guess you have to wait for the Netflix's series to come out about The Democrats. A TRUE STORY
     
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    Are you talking about yourself?

    It so happens that I have been an analyst in the stock market for 47 years and anyone that is narrow minded by nature would have been beaten to a pulp and in the garbage dump by now. I have had a service for 16 years that has shown consistent profits every year and that is public knowledge as it is all in the open for anyone to peruse and check out. As such, if there is one thing I can say with 100% certainty is that I am NOT narrow minded.

    Then again, I wonder about you given that I gave you facts and it is you that refuses to see them.

    Facts:

    1) Inflation is worldwide and we are actually among the countries with the lowest inflation rate. In addition, what is actually causing inflation in 2022/2023?

    Inflation is an increase in the prices of goods and services over time due to an imbalance between demand and supply.

    The imbalance came because of the Covid pandemic that caused the entire world to shut down.

    None of this was Biden's fault.

    2) Putin started the war. He was thinking about it since 2014 (before Biden was in the picture) and he made the decision because Ukraine was on the verge of becoming a member of NATO and if that happened, Russia would be fighting 41 countries and not just Ukraine.

    3) We have been a member of NATO since 1949. Actually, we were one of the founding members and the #1 rule of NATO is (one for all and all for one). As such, Biden is forced by the guidelines to defend Democracy and be against unprovoked attacks.

    Having given you these facts but you supplying only opinions, suggests that it is you that is being narrow minded.
     
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    No, I have to wait until tangible facts to the actions you talk about come out in the open and an official investigation into them occurs. None have as yet occurred. Into Trump though, there are presently at least 4 "official" investigations into his actions.
     
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    Just because someone is not on board with "your" personal opinions does not mean they lack understanding.

    It does take a lot of arrogance for any person to have that mentality. And I'm not speaking about anyone in particular but in generalities.

    It's obvious that the witch Hunt for Trump is politically motivated because none of this came about until he officially announced his intentions to run again.

    If you can't see that then it's possible you might not understand much about politics
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