One-Third of U.S. Troops Have Declined Covid Vaccine, Pentagon Says

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  1. MJ Davies

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    One-Third of U.S. Troops Have Declined Covid Vaccine, Pentagon Says

    Pentagon officials told a House panel Wednesday that vaccination is still voluntary for service members because the vaccines developed by Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. so far are approved by the Food and Drug Administration on an emergency-use basis. That would change with full approval by the FDA as many other vaccinations are mandatory for troops.

    Early data show nearly one million people in the Defense Department have received some combination of one or both doses of the vaccine, Major General Jeffrey Taliaferro, vice director for operations at the Joint Chiefs of Staff told the House Armed Services Committee.

    Only 147,000 have been fully vaccinated, according to Robert Salesses, a Pentagon official performing the duties of an assistant secretary of Defense for homeland defense and global security.

    Pentagon officials said they aim to have most troops inoculated for Covid-19 by the end of August.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ecline-covid-19-vaccine-pentagon-says[/quote]

    I know there are die-hard proponents and opponents of vaccinations. I wonder why these troops are declining the vaccination.

    What do you think?
     
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    If I was around twenty and strong, I might not be in such a rush to get it either. The data shows that age and health group is at little if any risk. I might just have a bit of a wait and see how the the vaccinations were working before diving in.
     
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    It just shows that one third of them are stupid.
     
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    Why would you call them stupid? Many are very young and healthy and have little risk from covid.
     
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    That one-third is SMART !!
     
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    I've been reading the posts that @CenterField has written about the vaccines and he contends the benefits outweigh the risks. I am especially concerned because of the possible long-term problems (ie. respiratory, heart, etc.) that happen even if an infected person is asymptomatic.

    Like you, I would weigh this differently if I was younger and healthier. I don't have any major health problems, thankfully. I just feel so conflicted about all this as we really don't know the long-term effects until enough people are vaccinated.
     
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    Why is it stupid to want to wait and see how the vaccinated people are doing? One can always choose to get the vaccine at a later date. You can't go back and NOT get it once it's been administered.
     
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    I believe it's smart to wait or decline if one feels so inclined to do so. It's called making informed choices.
     
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    Frankly I don't expect much in the realm of long-term effects. These vaccines deliver mRNA directly to the cytoplasm. Once the mRNA is in the cytoplasm, ribosomes translate it, which results in the creation of a protein antigen that triggers an immune response. The mRNA does not enter the nucleus, and therefore cannot be incorporated into the genome. Its presence in the cell is transient, and it is quickly metabolized and eliminated via cellular processing mechanisms. mRNA vaccines do not utilize any element of an organism. We're seeing allergic reactions. Those are possible. But if you don't have one, the odds that you'll have some sort of long-term issue are close to zero.

    Now, the idea that the SARS-CoV-2 is not dangerous to young people is a myth and a misunderstanding. It typically doesn't kill young people, true. But it can perfectly have long-term health consequences in young people, such as, like you said, myocarditis and pulmonary fibrosis.
     
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    What can an mRNA, which installs a response to a protein do to you, if it is gone in 24 hours, or 48 hours.
    Nothing
    over 100 million people have been vaccinated world wide, any horror stories ?
    Nope.

    I have had my 2 shots of bioNtech/Pfizer. No reaction at all, not even a sore arm.
    1/3 about fits the US population and they are just flat out stupid and take youtube, twitter and facebook as their info source.
    Dum as it goes.

    I got me now 2 of those Nano chips, next a USB Port will grow out of my arse.
     
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    I have another question if you don't mind. Typically, how long would it take for adverse reactions (something more than allergic reactions) to be documented? My question is based on being vaccine-injured in college. At the time, my PCP absolutely did not want to hear about my symptoms and didn't take things seriously until I basically failed a pulmonary function screen. My lungs have never fully recovered. Naturally, I'm concerned that there could be others out there having bad side-effects that aren't being taken seriously so those types of reports wouldn't be immediately (if ever) available to researchers and/or the general public.
     
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    I understand your point but would have appreciated if it wasn't so condescending. My question was sincere and I don't get my information from social media. It's reasonable to have questions about things one is expected to put in their body or have administered to their child/ren.
     
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    The beauty is, its all about proteins, very targeted. The mRNA is like a sniper.

    I read a paper in Jan, FAZ/ German and the article was talking about the enzymes of the Sars/ Covid virus.
    The research the article quoted shows a flaw, like in a computer program in the Sars viruses, which can be used for treatment.

    Have you heart about iRNA concerning the SARS virus.
     
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    We have a reporting system. It's called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System and it's a joint initiative by the FDA and the CDC.
    https://vaers.hhs.gov/
    We are instructed to report immediately. We're taking it seriously. What happened to you decades ago wouldn't happen today.
     
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    I have not. Do you have more details?
     
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    But his is the problem. I had that to in my company, with my employees.
    My employees were very hesitant, because of what the heard on social media. All that BS. It forced me to spent hours to debunk that crap.
    It was hilarious to listen to the shiit, so fooking stupid you can not believe it
    DNA altering
    Nano Chips
    Bill Gates
    Soros.
    Mass control
    Hoax
    Big Pharma
    10- 15 years for the last vaccine

    and so on and so on.

    All of my employees will vaccinate now, half way through
     
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    I nee to find it again. Its a study by a German, Russian and some other Eastern University.

    I try.
     
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    Again, you made an assumption about me (that I got some weird conspiracy theories off social media) based on your experience with your employees. It's not a fair judgment.
     
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    Hey! How do you know I was in college DECADES ago? It could have been last year! Just kidding. It was decades ago.

    Thanks for taking the time to point me in the right direction. ;-)
     
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    Are the number of allergic reactions enough to give some people pause on taking the shots?
     
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    University of Goettingen.
    The article is behind a paywall, FAZ paper and can not get if anymore without paying, which I don't.

    Maybe through your connections you can get to the research.
    Its about medication to treat SARS and the weak spot in its enzymes, which all SARS seam to have.
    No, never about you. You are a inquiring person, who wants to know more and people like you we have to bring into the boat.
    Convince, even if they have some doubts left, when they take their first vaccination and or some reaction for 2 days and than convince them to take the second.
    People like me have to be flat out honest about the vaccine and have to informed to the Ns-degrees. So we can tell the people who depend on us, that what we do is correct.
    That's why I was the first to get my 1 vaccination and second to get my second, by a day.
    On my office door I have a log, which shows my temp, every day.
    When I got vaccinated I put a comment section up.
    Every employee is asked to put their temp on that board and once vaccinated keep a running news comment going
     
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    My apologies if I misunderstood your posts on the matter.

    It sounds like you are providing your employees with the information they need to feel better about taking the vaccine. I hope all of you are able to get through it with no adverse effects.
     
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    Exactly.

    What would I rather get: Vaccine mRNA that makes the covid spike protein only (vaccine), or viral RNA that makes the covid spike protein attached to a fully replicating virus (covid)? I already got vaccinated, so the answer to that question is easy for me.

    I doubt, however, that people who worry about gene editing by the vaccine mRNA realize that the virus itself has to make RNA (viral sgRNA is the analogon to mRNA) to make its proteins, once they get infected by it. Does covid mRNA result in gene editing?
     
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    Your "employees" (I can think of another word for unfortunates in their position) have my sympathies. Oh, and have you stocked up on Q-tips for testing them "Chinese style" too?
     
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    He calls them stupid to prove yet again what Socrates noted: when the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser.
     
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