Open carry

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  1. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

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    Surely open carry is a way to advertise the make of gun so it is something arms manufacturers love.
     
  2. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised if they made matching tee-shirts just to be sure the message gets through.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again incorrect.
     
  4. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    estimate say between 500,000 and 2.6 million times.

    you won't because you can't because what you claimed was false.
    helping the police what the hell are you talking about? People don't carry guns to help the police.

    You're getting off into some strange weeds
    no I don't want to live in a police state.
    so what?


    I can't make heads or tails of this mess.

    you'll have to quote me where I said black people aren't allowed to openly carry firearms.
    You do with it her you need to. If you want to tell yourself it's a fashion accessory and that helps you get through the day then you do that. Nobody cares about your little opinions.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Good for them merchandising.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So far this year about 30 times that have bee reported on and way more than that which haven't been reported on.

    All in all it's at least 500,000 times annually.

    In many parts of the US the police rely on armed citizens to be first responders, they understand they cannot be everywhere and are often understaffed, and that is only getting worse with the liberal de-fund the police movement that is popular in the US right now.

     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's just a few months worth.

    Nov. 2, Milwaukee: A woman’s ex-boyfriend tried to enter her home without her permission to “get his things,” police said, and he began to fight physically with her when she said she would bring down his possessions but that he could not come inside. Witnesses heard the woman shout, “Don’t come close to me,” before either she or her current boyfriend shot the ex-boyfriend in the leg. At the time, the ex-boyfriend had three open felony cases against him, including for firing a gun at the woman, and was not supposed to be within 500 feet of her home.

    Nov. 6, Chicago: An elderly man who holds a concealed carry permit was in a parking garage when a vehicle approached and someone with a gun got out and demanded his belongings. The permit holder drew his own gun and fatally shot the robber, police said.

    Nov. 8, St. Louis: Two persons approached a woman as she walked to her car and asked to use her phone, police said. When the woman said she didn’t have a phone on her, one of them—a 13-year-old boy—pulled out a gun and demanded her car keys and money, which she handed over. As the two robbers got into her car, the teen with the gun became distracted, giving the woman time to grab her own gun and fire at the teen, wounding him. The two fled, but responding officers later found the wounded teen and took him to a hospital before charging him as a juvenile.

    Nov. 10, Chicago: A man who was sitting on his front steps noticed two people suspiciously crawling under a car and went to confront them, police said. As he walked up, the two pulled out handguns and fired, prompting him to pull his own lawfully possessed gun and fire back, fatally wounding one gunman and causing the other to flee. The lawful gun owner—who had a valid concealed carry permit—was not hurt, police said.

    Nov. 14, Bossier City, Louisiana: A convenience store clerk fatally shot a man who walked in and demanded money while saying he had a shotgun in his pants. The would-be robber didn’t actually have a gun, police said, but did have part of a tire jack in his pants. He recently had been released from prison after doing time for robbing another convenience store in 2017.

    Nov. 16, Blytheville, Arkansas: Police said a truck driver pulled off the side of the road to adjust his trailer and someone got into the truck. When the driver attempted to pull him out of the truck’s cab, the stranger shot him. Two witnesses tried to intervene, police said, but the assailant chased them back to their car. One witness was armed, however, and shot the man after repeatedly warning him to stop. The wounded truck driver was released from the hospital; his assailant faces a charge of first-degree battery.

    Nov. 20, New Port Richey, Florida: A man shot and wounded an acquaintance who stabbed him multiple times during an argument, police said. The acquaintance, armed with a machete, followed the man into his bedroom and stood in the doorway after being told to leave, police said. The intruder stabbed the resident in the hand, chest, and side of the head before the man was able to retrieve his handgun and shoot back in self-defense. Both were treated at a hospital for injuries; the assailant was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.

    Nov. 20, Philadelphia: Surveillance video captured the moment that an Uber driver with a concealed carry permit used his gun to fight off three armed robbers who demanded money at gunpoint. He fatally shot one robber and injured another while the third fled, police said.

    Nov. 21, Des Moines, Washington: A woman exchanged about 15 rounds with two armed intruders, wounding one before calling 911, police said. Responding officers found the second armed suspect outside the woman’s house and fatally shot him. The woman was not injured.

    Nov. 23, Coldwater, Michigan: A man arrived home to discover an intruder in his living room armed with a hatchet, police said. The man returned to his truck, retrieved a handgun, and held the intruder at gunpoint until police arrived.

    Nov. 26, Forest, Virginia: When a woman’s estranged husband forced his way inside her home and attacked her with a knife, another resident retrieved a handgun and fatally shot him, police said. At the time of the attack, investigators said, the estranged husband was subject to a restraining order that he already had violated several times.

    Nov. 30, Thomaston, Georgia: An armed resident shot and wounded a would-be car thief in a shootout, police said. The resident, who was not harmed, had confronted the thief after seeing him try to break into a vehicle.

    Aug 20. A woman shot a suspected would-be intruder who broke into an Ohio home in the middle of the night where multiple children were located. The shooting unfolded at around 1 a.m. Friday in south Toledo when an unidentified male suspect broke into a home. He made it through the front door of the home, and was met by a female resident with a gun who shot him multiple times, police told WTOL.

    July. A California homeowner fatally shot an armed intruder who kicked down his door Tuesday while he and his wife were eating breakfast, authorities said. The Fairfield Police Department in California received a call around 8:30 a.m. from a resident about a home invasion.
    The married couple in their 60s were having breakfast when they heard a knock at the door, according to police. Suddenly, a 27-year-old male from Suisun City attempted to kick down the door.

    “The husband, fearing for his and his wife’s safety obtained his legally owned firearm to defend them,” Fairfield Police said. The intruder finally managed to kick the door in and entered the home. The husband then fired at the intruder, according to police.

    The homeowner then immediately called police and reported that he shot the intruder who then fled the scene. Police checked on the couple and then located the intruder across the street. Authorities said they found a loaded semiautomatic handgun with an extended magazine in the intruder’s possession. Officers began performing life-saving measures, but the suspect was pronounced dead around 9:00 a.m.

    Police said the intruder had been on parole for a violent crime out of Alameda County.

    A similar incident unfolded in nearby Modesto days earlier when a man broke into a home Friday and was fatally shot and killed by the homeowner in a gunfire battle, according to the Stanislaus Sheriff’s Office.
     
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    They have a little propaganda sources that will tell them what they want to hear.

    It's like trying to get an objective opinion on Christianity from a website created by the Catholic Church.
     
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    So homeowners have to shoot people instead of protecting their homes with alarms, dogs, walls and locks.
    and if you take the percentage of the entire population you are talking well below 10%

    Dis you ever wonder how every other country manages to protect themselves or is the USA just more violent and prone to crime than anywhere else?
     
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    By th at answer I have confirmed that you are not willing to find out the truth.
    These kinds of answers are very revealing.
     
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    Then YOU prove it.
    Why should I accept your say so? You are clearly biased yourself.
     
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    None of which will stop an intruder.

    They don't they just take it and get maimed or killed.
     
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    Why bother, you will never accept anything that doesn't fit your anti-gun narrative.

    A narrative that has been proven to be false many times in this thread.
     
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    But that was the conclusion you started with so what's the point in acting like I played any role in it?
     
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    It's the dunning Kruger effect.

    The more you disprove their beliefs the tighter they will clutch on to them.
     
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    why would anybody need a dog or an alarm walls or locks isn't that just paranoia?

    If there's never an instance where you would ever need a gun and there's never an instance where you'd ever need an alarm or a lock.


    No. Most other countries don't protect themselves. Some of them exist in a police state no thanks to either of those options.
     
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    This is the kind of thing people say when they don't really have much knowledge on the subject. Many pistols aren't that easy to identify just by looking at them. Most of them you have to be pretty close to read. A lot of models of firearms are made by many different manufacturers.

    It's even getting harder to determine which firearm is a glock based on seeing it in the holster.
     
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    How so? You said you work a a lobbyist to make open carry legal, because in you opinion its a high priority issue and important to the people in Florida?
     
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    Actually those estimates include people simply mentioning they have a gun, so they are not situations where they "used a gun on their belt". As a matter of fact, if people with guns on their belts were attacked 2.6 million times, then it tends to destroy the "deterrent" argument, ns actually prove the opposite, - that it makes them a target.
     
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    why is that not using it?
    No it doesn't. If someone tries to hold up a person and that person puts a piece of hot lead in their heart that deters them. If they're trying not to bleed to death or drop dead on the pavement then they've probably given up on whatever they were doing to you.
     
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    Are you using your car if you just talk about it?

    Typically "deterrence" means preventing a crime before it happens. The argument is that if people see a gun on your hip, they'll leave you alone.
     

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