Opening arguments in Criminal Defendant Trump's NY trial on Monday, 22 April 2024

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Statistikhengst, Apr 20, 2024.

  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    16,907
    Likes Received:
    19,461
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    All of the delay tactics, all of the threats, all of the whining and bellyaching, the deluge of hatred toward anyone he even thinks is his enemy - not a bit of this worked for criminal defendant Donald J. Trump. The jury of 12 (+6 alternates) is set and on coming Monday this thing begins.

    Next week, Judge Merchan will be holding a special hearing to ascertain whether or not Trump has violated the gag order on multiple occasions, also whether or not he intimidated potential jurors. The prosecution wants him jailed right now, which would have already happened to any other person on this planet not named Trump. I suspect that the hearing will be interesting. Under threat of jail-time, Trump must appear at the hearing.

    Also, a Sandoval hearing is in the offing as Trump has said he plans to testify, which opens the prosecution to propose mentioning all sorts of other transgressions on Trump's part as part of their right to do all they can to impeach his credibility. Sandoval in the legal world means, in a nutshell, that the prosecution is required to publicly disclose what it intends to use in order to impeach a the character of a defendant at his own trial. It is totally legal, but the judge has the discretion to say what will be allowed and what not. But in a way, in the moment that Trump said he would testify (he probably won't because he is a total *****), he did the prosecution a big favor as they can now go public and also impeach him in the public square just as he has been attacking judges, their wives, their daughters, their clerks, etc etc.

    Even better: In order to make sure that ******* Trump's headache is a real migrane headache, in the civil trial, it really looks as if the 175 million bond that was posted is a real ****-sandwich, the firm screwed up the paperwork on multiple occasions and when instructed to prove they actually had the 175 million to front-up, even the last page of their document, the signature page, was taken from the EJ Caroll II case, which in and of itself is likely a felony offense. This **** firm out of California that does sub-prime loans for suckers down on their luck and then funnels the money to offshore accounts on the Cayman Islands, worked out a deal with Trump to have possession of a Schwab account that is supposed to be worth 175 million, but the firm only gets access to the account if they file a notice two days in advance that they are going to access the account, which gives Trump two days to empty the account and that firm can't do a damned thing about it. Also, Trump is promising that the account with worth real assets and/or stocks, but his Truth Social stock is falling like a rock, so yeah, it's a ****-sandwich. The actual worth of the bonding company is 138 million, not even close to the 175 million. So, Letitia James wants the judge to void the bond and require Trump to replace it with a real bond within 7 days. All of this is happening while Trump is sitting in court starting on Monday.

    It was sooooo fun to watch Trump bitch and moan that he cannot campaign and then on Wednesday, when he was not in court, he did not campaign. The real reason of course is that his campaign is short on funds and doesn't have the cash to up-front rallies, which are already suffering from poor attendance, anyway.

    So, Trump supporters, there you have it: a loser, a liar, a weasal, a little snivelling ***** who is now going to be on trial and cannot get out of it. All behold the glory of Trump!!!

    There have been trials in the past where the defendant behaved so badly that he was removed from the courtroom and placed in an adjacent room, with a camera and a monitor. That's what some judges do with insane defendants who cannot control themselves.

    Expect fireworks.

    I for my part am enjoying watching karma eat a hole in Trump's very fat ass.

    Ahhhh, Karma.

    Feel free to discuss karma.

    -Stat
     
    Lucifer and WalterSobchak like this.
  2. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    16,907
    Likes Received:
    19,461
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have stocked up on lots of popcorn and rootbeer for this show!
     
    Melb_muser and WalterSobchak like this.
  3. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    1) The core crime alleged, falsifying business records, is a misdemeanor (past the statute of limitations).

    2) To turn the misdemeanor into a felony, Bragg had to claim that Trump falsified records in the act of committing another crime — but Bragg has not charged Trump with any other crime.

    3) Bragg “stacked” the charges to come up with 34 felony counts against Trump based on what was essentially one payoff.

    4) Bragg’s effort to boost the case from misdemeanor to felony depends on a highly debatable reading of campaign finance law.

    5) Bragg’s star witness Michael Cohen is, in the New York Times’s words, “a disbarred lawyer who served prison time after pleading guilty to violating campaign finance laws, evading taxes, making false statements to a bank, and lying to Congress.”


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2964082/the-anti-trump-dream-come-true/
     
    Steve N and Wild Bill Kelsoe like this.
  4. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I wonder if all the evidence will be allowed by this corrupt judge....

    ""A letter from Stephen M. Ryan, counsel for Michael Cohen, to Jeff Jordan, the Assistant General Counsel at the Complaints Examination & Legal Administration for the Federal Election Commission, reveals ex-Trump lawyer Michael Cohen paid Stephanie Clifford, AKA Stormy Daniels, from his personal funds; “neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was party.”"

    https://hannity.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/McDermott.pdf
    https://hannity.com/media-room/hann...-from-2018-blows-up-braggs-case-clears-trump/
    [​IMG]
     
    Steve N and Wild Bill Kelsoe like this.
  5. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Steve N and Wild Bill Kelsoe like this.
  6. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And Cohen was a "secret Russian agent", but they use him as a trusted source in the trials against Trump now, after lying, two, maybe three times now...will that be brought up in trial?...

    https://vault.fbi.gov/
     
    Steve N and Wild Bill Kelsoe like this.
  7. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Will all the evidence about EVERYBODY be brought out by the corrupt judge.... if anyone in our history should have recused himself it should have been this clown...

    Where is his communications with the White House on this..... Willis and James and Smith should also be checked out..

    A direct conflict of interest and hint of Impropriety that most judges would be MADE to recuse themselves...According to an analysis by the New York Post, Schiff’s Senate campaign committee — he is running to replace the late Dianne Feinstein — has paid Authentic Campaigns more than $10 million. The Post also reported that Schiff cited the Bragg indictment in emails looking for campaign donations, raising questions as to whether Authentic Campaigns was involved in those solicitations.

    After Schiff and six other Democrats delivered articles of impeachment to the Senate in January 2020. Schiff’s campaign committee paid a new Chicago-based consulting firm $600,000 for digital media buys presumably to spread the word via email, text, and social media/online advertisements that the California congressman planned to oust Trump. The firm, Authentic Campaigns, is headed by Loren Merchan , the 34-year-old daughter of the New York judge now overseeing the so-called hush money case against Trump.

    https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1781376173731197038
    https://tennesseestar.com/commentar...nflict-in-hush-money-trial/jkelly/2024/04/02/

    [​IMG]
     
    Steve N and Wild Bill Kelsoe like this.
  8. Sirius Black

    Sirius Black Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2011
    Messages:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    6,728
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Apparently all of this is not relevant, Popscott.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2024
    Melb_muser, Lucifer and WalterSobchak like this.
  9. Hey Now

    Hey Now Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    18,604
    Likes Received:
    15,055
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2024
    Lucifer and WalterSobchak like this.
  10. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is directly relevant...
    The only thing we are missing is the check directly from Trump to Stormy with "loan payment" written in the memo line...
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2024
  11. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2010
    Messages:
    24,869
    Likes Received:
    21,958
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Poor pop. Still desperately believing in Mango's lies.
     
    Lucifer, Statistikhengst and Hey Now like this.
  12. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    easy peasy.... just prove me wrong...
     
  13. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    78,193
    Likes Received:
    52,727
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Kangaroos may be impressed but Americans aren't.

    upload_2024-4-20_10-3-35.png
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2024
    popscott likes this.
  14. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2010
    Messages:
    24,869
    Likes Received:
    21,958
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What's the point? LOL
     
  15. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly....Why would you try because you can't..
     
  16. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Interesting.. will convicted Cohen"s ( and Russia spy between Trump and Pootin) testimony carry more weight than convicted Michael Avenatti..

    Disgraced Stormy Daniels’ attorney Michael Avenatti has been in contact with former President Trump’s legal defense team and is ready and willing to testify against his former client, he told The Post in an interview from jail.

    "“There’s no question [the trial] is politically motivated because they’re concerned that he may be reelected,” Avenatti said.""

    https://nypost.com/2024/04/20/us-ne...s-hes-in-conversations-with-trump-legal-team/

    upload_2024-4-20_19-20-8.png
     
  17. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @Statistikhengst

    "not convicted" criminal defendant... whatever communist country some live in, but in America, presumed innocent until proven guilty...
     
  18. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    16,907
    Likes Received:
    19,461
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Very much looking forward to tomorrow!!!

    Expect a deluge of Truth Social Things bla bla blahs from Trumpie Dumpy all through today and tonight going into tomorrow, in between voracious bites of KFC and big gulps of diet coke. And of course, he could just throw his food at the wall in rememberance of his performance on January 6th, 2021.

    In the future, historians are going to look at Trump and someone is going to write a book with a title like "How to hot be an insufferable ******* like this guy was".
     
    Lucifer likes this.
  19. Hey Now

    Hey Now Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    18,604
    Likes Received:
    15,055
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ole' Joey Biden, The Agent Oranges vanquisher, thanks you.
     
    Statistikhengst likes this.
  20. Sirius Black

    Sirius Black Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2011
    Messages:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    6,728
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't have to, the Grand Jury has already decided. The point is irrelivant; the trial will progress.

    You act as if the defense team has no say as to who is on the jury. I am pretty sure they do.
     
    Pants, Melb_muser and Lucifer like this.
  21. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    16,907
    Likes Received:
    19,461
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Yepp, they sure do. The fact that his defense team is comprised of incompetent, unread boobs is not my problem.

    You lay down with dogs, you get fleas. It's that simple.
     
    Melb_muser and Lucifer like this.
  22. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @Statistikhengst
    @Sirius Black

    Now it comes down to evidence.... would you care to share with us what the prosecution has.... we know what the Trump team will throw in.... if the corrupt judge (who should have recused himself long ago) does not disallow these actual facts

    @Statistikhengst @Sirius Black Please provide us with the check written by Trump to Stormy..... (it may have loan payment written in the memo line, that seem to have worked for others)

    https://vault.fbi.gov/
    https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1778074499620934135/photo/1
    https://hannity.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/McDermott.pdf
    https://hannity.com/media-room/hann...-from-2018-blows-up-braggs-case-clears-trump/


    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    upload_2024-4-21_9-18-1.png
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2024
  23. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008
    Messages:
    24,623
    Likes Received:
    15,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The more I hear trump rant, the more he reminds me of this guy.
     
    Statistikhengst and Lucifer like this.
  24. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    19,804
    Likes Received:
    13,165
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @Statistikhengst
    @Surfer Joe


    and yet you provide no evidence against Trump... just slander, and misinformation and propaganda...
    only

    Bragg’s star witness Michael Cohen is, in the New York Times’s words, “a disbarred lawyer who served prison time after pleading guilty to violating campaign finance laws, evading taxes, making false statements to a bank, and lying to Congress.”..... and Cohen is also a Russian agent colluding between the Trump campaign and Pootin in the Crossfire investigation..... he has been called liar by federal judges...

    Stormy has signed a paper saying the affair did not happen...

    No one has touched the simple idea any checks written by Cohen to Stormy were for HIS affair with Stormy....

    The core crime alleged, falsifying business records, is a misdemeanor (past the statute of limitations).

    To turn the misdemeanor into a felony, Bragg had to claim that Trump falsified records in the act of committing another crime — but Bragg has not charged Trump with any other crime.

    Bragg “stacked” the charges to come up with 34 felony counts against Trump based on what was essentially allegedly one payoff.

    Bragg’s effort to boost the case from misdemeanor to felony depends on a highly debatable reading of campaign finance law. Bragg is a state prosecutor try a federal crime... unheard of in our history..

    A judge that has definite family issue related to conflict of interest and definite appears of impropriety as his family is making money off of this fake trial...
     
  25. Sirius Black

    Sirius Black Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2011
    Messages:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    6,728
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If there is no conclusive evidence the jury will aquit.
    If the judge is corrupt that surly would be dealt with on appeal.

    It is not my job to provide evidence to the prosecution or to the defense. Neither you nor I am involved in this trial.
    I am sure the former President has a competant leagal team that will stand up for him.
     
    Statistikhengst and Lucifer like this.

Share This Page