Opponents. How has gay marriage negatively effected your life?

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  1. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    You have ABSOLUTELY no clue as to WTF you are talking about. I'm done.
     
  2. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if your aware of this but gay couples can raise children.
     
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    Sure. Males who have sex with males make up less than 3% of the total population.

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf

    Females were more than six times as likely as males to be the victims of sexual assaults known to law enforcement agencies. More specifically, 86% of all victims of sexual assault were female. The relative proportion of female victims generally increased with age. Sixty-nine percent of victims under age 6 were female, compared with 73% of victims under age 12, and 82% of all juvenile (under age 18) victims. The female proportion of sexual assault victims reached 90% at age 13 and 95% at age 19

    Nearly all of the offenders in sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%). Female offenders were most common in assaults against victims under age 6. For these youngest victims, 12% of offenders were females, compared with 6% for victims ages 6 through 12, and 3% for victims ages 12 through 17. Overall, 6% of the offenders who sexually assaulted juveniles were female, compared with just 1% of the female offenders who sexually assaulted adults.

    You can do the math or I can do it for you.
     
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  4. Lucifer

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    So you have no proof. Thanks for not writing an entire paragraph stating so.
     
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    I’m happy to source anything I’ve said.
     
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    Raising children and creating them are two different things.
     
  7. Cybred

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    Except for the fact that my parents have a great marriage and the existence of gay marriage has not affected them in the slightest. If someone's view of marriage is lessened by gay marriage then their faith in marriage is the problem. Don't blame gays for your weakness.
     
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    Yep, and?
     
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    And the benefit we are paying for comes from the CREATION of the revenue stream. Which again, homosexuals are incapable of providing.
     
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  10. Lucifer

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    I'm going to trust the math from someone who doesn't know the difference between a subsidy and a tax deduction? I don't think so. I'm sure you can't wait to to do your "figurin'", but I just ain't interested, Jethro.

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    I’m fully aware of the difference between a tax deduction and a subsidy. The point is they are both a loss of revenue for society. Whether we are subsidizing a behavior such as green energy development or we are providing a tax deduction for the elderly, it is a loss in revenue. We don’t simply do that for shits and giggles. We do it because it provides a benefit to society as a whole which is worth more than the money we are paying into it.

    What benefit does homosexual marriage provide to society that justifies the amount we give them in marriage subsidies, benefits and deductions?

    Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
     
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    No it doesn't, children have to be raised.
     
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    Same as heterosexual marriage.
     
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    Nobody is saying they can’t get married. We are saying we shouldn’t have to ****ing pay you for it.
     
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    Obviously, you think anything you want to believe is real until somebody provides proof that it's not in a form you can't reject, which probably doesn't exist. You are free to believe whatever you wish...
     
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    False. History has shown that over time, even if the first and even second generation is a bust complete bust and they become crackhead druggies... over time and generations, they will build into a revenue stream that is beneficial to society.

    It’s not the raising, it’s the creation which we MUST have and that’s what we are paying for.
     
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    False. Heterosexual marriage is exponentially more likely to result in continued revenue streams for society.
     
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    Gay marriage won't likely cost a cent and if it did, it would have no economic impact. In fact, legalizing gay marriage would provide an economic boost in some cases.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2009/0527/p02s07-ussc.html

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/55xx/doc5559/06-21-samesexmarriage.pdf

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/studies/economic-impact-gay-marriage-2-5-billion-question/
     
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    The people in california voted no..

    Is that a hint?
     
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    I just scanned all of those. None of them take into account the COST of gay marriage to society. Not a single one. They just try to think of any and every benefit that gay marriage MIGHT bring and then add them all together, while taking into account none of the cost.

    I stand corrected. The CBO one does go into some of the costs but they simply dismiss it with absurd assumptions like most gay couples will die at around the same time.
     
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    Might as well ask how a person owning a handgun to protect their home negatively effects you. Unless you’re robbing people, their legal right to own a gun doesn’t effect you at all.

    No. Gay marriage hasn’t negatively effected me and I support it.
     
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    Ha!
    Look up child tax credit.
    A pointer - a tax credit is not a tax deduction. ;)
     
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    Probably because it is a fake argument in the first place.
     
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    If the couple is young - they won’t produce children. If the couple is older and has kids - they participated in destruction of their marriages, their divorce with the natural mother kind of invalidates any claims for certain benefits, like survivor benefits. And if their marriages ended with deaths of their spouses - then they already receive survivor benefits.
     
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    In both cases, there is no money being exchanged, and it ONLY pertains to IRS tax liability.

    Hardly what one could call a "subsidy".
     
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