Origin of the Racist Myth "Blacks are Less Intelligent"

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  1. leftysergeant

    leftysergeant New Member

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    It is a test of a demonstrable physical skill.

    Passing a driving test does not mean that you are really bright. I have seen a lot of people who, after performing the physical rtask of driving to the point that they can get a license, immediately go out and demonstrate to the world that they really should not have a license.
     
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    So should we do away with driving tests?
     
  3. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Should the score on a driving test be used to evaluate a person's ability to fly an airplaine?

    A driving test, like our IQ tests, evaluate the individual related to certain tasks related to driving a car. IQ tests provide a means of evaluating an individual related to education. That is exclusively what IQ tests were designed to do according to the APA which has been well documented in this thread. Nothing more and nothing less. In this regard they are very accurate and have been improved over time but they were never designed to test total human intelligence which remains an undefined quality of the individual. This has all been well documented.
     
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    I am of the opinion that average Negroes do not fit in a modern civilization, as most White, Chinese, Japanese people do.
     
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    Me too, the world is just too cruel, exploitive, greedy, corrupt and out right wicked for them to fit in. Bring on the new and righteous kingdom, the world can't wait any longer.
     
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    No, a driving test should used to evaluate driving ability, like an intelligence test should be used to evaluate intelligence. This much is obvious.

    The APA's position is that IQ measures general intelligence. You presented one person from the APA presenting a (debunked) theory that it doesn't in a non-peer reviewed article and claimed they spoke for the entire APA. Meanwhile the president of the APA Dianne Halpern further endorses general intelligence along with other members of the APA in "Intelligence: New Findings And Theoretical Developments", 2012. Read it.
     
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    It's certainly historical fact that afro-centrism is a childish foot stomping tirade of black people directing anger at white people by attempting to weazel historical inaccuracies to give black people credit for things white people did. Afro-centrism is just white supremacy in blackface...

    Also, I am tired of the far-left in this country invading our educational institutions and teaching people that western culture is somehow inferior to everyone elses. Even the notion that any culture can compare to western culture is absurd. Look at China's fashion and obsession with Basketball as an example. China will be westernized someday whether they like it or not.


    Western Culture is going to evolve into Human Culture as the world gets smaller and we start to come together but to the topic at hand...

    The op is being childish here.

    Now, quit being so (*)(*)(*)(*) preoccupied with racists and dig into the real history of America. Chances are everybody who has posted in this thread will have a new worldview.
     
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    I'll add to my rantings further.

    Black American culture is deficient. It is a culture of victimhood, a whole society of martyrs who point their fingers at others for their own problems. The Black American needs to stop having children out of wedlock. They need to put an emphasis on Education and stop holding their hands out to Government.

    Blacks need to stop raising little retard sons who think nothing of fighting, killing, or robbing others. Little retard sons who grow up to impregnate 3-5 women and not even have a job or a financial commitment other than past due child support to any of their kids. Get it together black people.
     
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    Any white person who says blacks are of equal intelligence simply hasn't met enough black people.
     
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    In order of intelligence, I'd say the races go:

    1. Asians, Whites (including jews)

    2. Arabs

    3. Hispanics

    4. Blacks

    ? Native americans---haven't met many of them.


    Asians have more brute force intelligence than whites, but whites have more creativity than Asians.


    A great example of that is gun powder. Asians discovered it, but guns weren't created until the formula made it's way to Europe.
     
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    Blacks are on average less intelligent, that's not to say all blacks are, look at Obama, but on average yes they are
     
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    The testing seems to indicate that Native Americans are smarter than Negroids.
     
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    arabs (koranimals) are dumber than dirt.
     
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    I have lived and worked with black people, even slept with a couple of them. I have lived and worked with some low-class white people. Given the same ecconomic background and education, I don't see much difference.

    And three out of five people who have tried to kill me were white.

    You're talking through your trousers.
     
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    IQ tests are not really very reliable measures of any of that crap.

    Asians are actually very creative. That they did not make guns is irrelevant.

    They did use rockets before guns were invented. You are filtering too much data through a too-dense cultural lens and getting a distorted image of the world around you.
     
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    Ethnocentric blather.

    The first universities in Europe were Muslim. Even our graduation ceremonies are based on Muslim traditions.
     
  17. Shiva_TD

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    No link was provided and, except for a "pay for the report" site I found all I came across was an abstract on this study.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22233090

    As we can see this wasn't released by the APA or Dianne Halpern but instead was a study done by "Nisbett RE, Aronson J, Blair C, Dickens W, Flynn J, Halpern DF, Turkheimer E." at the Univesity of Michigan. At least in the abstract it doesn't contradict the APA summary that IQ tests were developed specifically to test for intellingence criteria related to education or that there is no agreement as to what human intelligence actually is. We cannot test for something that remains undefinedd.

    Additionally I would point to the first two findings noted in the abstract:

    Lower social classes have lower IQ test scores.

    African-Americans have been subjugated to an inferior social class by invidous racial discrimination for generations and the study found that this is a major factor related to IQ test score results.

    The racist claim that that genetic polymorphism is responsible for lower IQ test scores in African-Americans has been found to be lacking in merit based upon the study.

    When it comes to predicting the success of our current education systems related to individuals IQ tests are certainly relevant. That was what they were invented for and they are very good predictors. The purpose though is to learn from the test scores and then to modify our teaching by revision to the courses we use so that we can achieve competency in our education systems. No one has ever argued with the effectiveness of IQ tests in determining if an individual will succeed or fail in our educational institutions based upon our current IQ tests. As has been also repeatedly stated, and documented with expert sources, is that our IQ tests are expressly limited to measuring certain forms of intelligence related to the goal of education and were never designed to provide a comprehensive test of overall human intelligence which still remains undefined. There isn't a comprehensive definition of human intelligence by experts in intelligence where consensus has been reached according to the APA.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    While there has been invidious discrimination against Native-Americans it has never been to the extent that African-Americans have been subjected to. The test results reflect this fact and would be something we should expect.
     
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    Which is the issue at hand. Blacks are dumber on average because they need to get it together. Throw a white kid in the Ghetto and he will be just as ignorant as the lot of thugs selling crack and killing. Inner city schools are generally a failure because of Teachers Unions, lack of Parenting and such.

    It's not that anyone is born intelligent or successful it's that they need to work at it. Black American culture does not put an emphasis on education or entrepreneurship or doing whats right when it comes to children or your romantic partner.

    Time for that to change.
     
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    Can you stop using the word "invidous" all the time? It actually adds nothing to what you are saying and is just annoying rhetoric.

    If you had read the entire paper (LOL) you would see they point out that IQ correlates with a wide range of life outcomes. So you are wrong.

    They point out that they have not found genetic polymorphisms, not that they aren't there. Wrong again.

    And you fail to understand the meaning of heritability.

    I think we're done here.
     
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    A rather good evaluation of African-American IQ test scores is provided by the following (and racists will call it garbage, lies, or dispute the source because they won't consider any information that contradicts their bigoted opinions).

    Pleas note that they specifically identify that IQ tests only address vocabulary, reading, math and scholastic aptitude and intelligence. Our IQ tests do not test for all forms of intelligence. Let is move on...

    http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html

    In short, a black child raised in a white family has substantially higher IQ test scores until they become older and the effects of invidious racist discrimination begins to take a toll on them.
     
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    LMAO..in every other post...when facts/reality don't support the theory/premise, just repeat the chant..."invidious racism"

    It's always amusing when people's vocabulary exceeds their education.


    ..of course THIS post will be deleted very soon...
     
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    The only study on this is the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.

    These are the figures:
    The blacks had a consistently lower IQ the entire time.

    Unless you are referencing a different study. If so, what?
     
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    Definition of "invidious":

    A very accurate term but perhaps using "hateful" or "injurious" or "discrimination tending to cause animosity" might be more acceptable to some. I like to keep it simple and use the singular word that covers all of the above because it is highly accurate.

    Obviously had a link been provided, like I always try to do, then I would have read the whole paper. Of course if we take into account that the person cited as the author of this paper was false and it's origin was misrepresented as coming from the APA when it didn't then how are we expected to believe any unsupported and undocumented statements related to it. Basically we have unsupported statements that were hatched from misrepresentation of the truth to begin with. How typical.

    So everyone admits that there is no scientific foundation to believe in genetic polymorphisms.

    Actually I do and I also understand that "heritability" is not necessarily linked to genetics. Cultural differences can also be inherited by one generation from a prior generation.

    Actually the initial OP really settled the issue and since then I've provided source after source after source which confirms the initial OP was highly accurate. We know that it's a racist myth that blacks are inherently less intelligent than anyone else. We also know and can document that bigotry perpetuates this myth because whenever evidence supporting the OP is presented it is summarily dismissed as being garbage, lies, or the source is condemned even when the source is the foremost professional organization in the world related to intelligence testing and evaluations.

    I think the case has been very well made and established as presented in the OP.
     
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    *facepalm*
     
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