Our education system could get a boost by copying Finland

Do you think private schools should be forced to take any student who wants in, then? If they are, then their performance will seem to tank just as badly as the public school system. If not, then there will be a whole bunch of uneducated kids boosting crime statistics throughout the country. The public school system appears to be so bad, in part, because they have to take everyone. That includes little Timmy No-Teeth whose parents couldn't care less if he learns or not, they're just glad he's out of the house for 8 hours a day while they're cooking up meth.

 

No. The public schools ARE so bad because they are forced to treat every student as if they will all achieve the same educational level. Those that cannot meet base levels of intelligence and ability need to be warehoused, not educated. Those that will provide America's future top notch human capital need to be cultivated to the max.

 

And oddly enough, the expectation that all students at least CAN attain comparative levels turns out to have a lot of force. Infants taken from jungle tribes in Borneo and raised in NYC by wealthy adoptive parents have become very successful professionals, lawyers and doctors. Infants from the worst of inner-city ghettos adopted by caring parents in wealthy suburbs have done just as well. There doesn't seem to be such a thing as "cannot meet a base level of intelligence" - at least not short of actual organic dysfunction like Down's Syndrome.

The important thing about these fairly common experiences is that it is the parents and not the schools that matter. Capable parents do several things - they help the kids with school, they encourage success, they clearly value education, and they try not to expose the kids to the powerful anti-accomplishment peer pressure that predominates in the worst systems.

 

For two generations we've been giving you hand-outs and preferential treatment in education and employment........yet the black race has made little progress......particularly in education. Just admit it.....white folks ain't the black folks problem.....black folks be black folks biggest problem. Wherever they are in the world, blacks are the least liked, least educated and create the most crime and havoc in whatever society they are in.......deal with reality.

 

Assuming they apply themselves and have the support system at home, high achieving kids generally highly achieve. Top students ARE cultivated. But they have to actually be out there and get noticed. They can get scholarships. There are loads. And if they're a minority, its like a 1 way ticket to the Ivy League. Top schools snatch up high achieving minorities like candy, especially ones with rough beginnings.

Don't tell me brilliant kids are just sitting in schools not getting noticed. Advisers pluck them out of the cracks assuming they want to get plucked=)

 

Absolutely.....we are expending all of our resources on the ones who have no future....no real hope.....instead of promoting our best and brightest. That being said, I am a product of an all White public school system and have done quite well in life. My children attend public schools that are 85% white with the balance being mostly Asian. Our schools are top-rated and make the NewsWeek "Best Schools in America" list. Its not the teachers or the funding.....its demographics and parenting. Blacks consistently score significantly lower on any IQ test anywhere in the world......couple that with teenage baby mommas "raising" urchents and you get what you get...........and all the whining about slavery and stuff that happened before anyone can remember is just an excuse for what everyone, but the ignorant. sees is reality.

 

I understand.

Your claim that I am admitting that I think black people are inferior is an admission that you want black people to think they are inferior.

 

You haven't given me Jack. You don't have anything to give.

 

Well you can't really force a private school to take in students. The parents have to afford the school tuition. That seems to be the biggest complaint people have about the govt ditching public schools in favor of private and charter. That and the fact that private and charter schools are humongously segregated. I think a study said that private and charter schools are usually 90% of what ethnic group or the other. But I don't really care about that because racial quotas are bogus, since, you know, race doesn't exist.

Only problem I see though is the government creating a new social welfare service that gives adults money to pay for their childrens tuition every year. More welfare programs!

 

You must be the minority of the minorites that use up my tax dollars on head start, food stamps, welfare, Section 8 housing, "earned income tax credit" (LMAO at that one), etc........please tell the IRS that I "don't have anything to give"......every April 15th they sure seem to think that I do......let me guess, you've never paid a single dollar in taxes in your entire life........and have $100,000 of student loan debt for your degree in "Afro-Centric Studies".........LOL

 

Never received head start, food stamps, or welfare. My parents were both had advanced degrees and were highly respected in their fields of work. Me, I'm in the top 10% of wage earners.

So like I say, you ain't giving me jack.

 

Well then.....can you ask your "brothas and sistas" to send me back my "jack"........

 

You do it yourself. What you think this is, slavery?

 

You've sold me. I now favor spending unlimited funds on every student in America until they get their PHD.

 

Yes, a small measure of this is done. But the special needs student that will be a lifetime tax consumer costs us more than the very bright. That's economic insanity. That's liberal feel good statism. Someday we will run out of other people's money.

 

Presumably, under a voucher system, the government provides enough money to make the cost of the private school significantly more affordable. I'm talking about private schools simply allowing in only students that meet their non-financial requirements. Specifically, private schools right now can turn away kids who don't seem smart enough to perform well. If you scrap the public schools in favor of privatization, you'll wind up with a situation where kids who don't meet those requirements won't be able to go to any school, regardless of finances. Are you okay with a bunch of kids being deemed unteachable and receiving no education whatsoever? Or are you in favor of forcing private schools to accept students as long as they can meet the tuition requirements?

 

I agree that's a problem. It's one that started with No Child Left Behind. The school district I came from was great, prior to NCLB. For each subject, the students were split into three groups: those who needed extra help, those on par with expectations, and those who were ahead. The kids who needed extra help got it and the ones who were especially bright got advanced instruction. Now, everyone is on the same, low level and they're all learning to hate reading, math, and science. So fix that problem and skip this crazy voucher system that will just make public schools worse or leave a bunch of kids out in the cold with no education at all.

 

Finland redistributes wealth from its rich schools to its lower income schools, as socialism does.

They also lower standards at the higher end, so that the lower end can catch up.

Everything is equal, so America should indeed adopt that.

 

It's not exactly private if it's being coerced. So no, I'm not in favor of government forcing private entities to do anything. I'm coming at this from a purely libertarian stand point. As such, I don't believe its the governments job nor the governments right to oversee private transactions and business practices.

 

You bought a product I'm not selling. Asian students outperform all other groups, and they are not a wealthy group. You don't buy academic success.

I'm pretty sure the American approach to public education stinks, and throwing plenty of money at a poor system won't cure it, it will only enable whatever's going wrong. The Finnish education system is not wallowing in money.

I read recently that 48% of college graduates in the US are either unemployed, or working at jobs that do not require college degrees. So the US problems go far beyond a failing educational system.

 

Okay, do you understand that will lead to large chunks of children who get absolutely no education? What do you think that means for the crime rate in this country?

 

Don't mention metric, they don't use that new fangled French crap in America

 

The fix can't occur in the public schools under the doctrine of disparate impact. To slow track difficult and special needs students is to segregate them. They will be seriously over-represented with blacks and hispanics and that's racist under the Holder DOJ.

That system needs to burn down. It can't be fixed. Alternative schools outside the crushing grip of these insane expectations are the only hope.

 

I'm reasonably sure Asian income is higher than white income. I'm 100% sure Asian IQ is several points higher than white IQ.

 

What is your solution for kids who will be completely shut out of an education when private schools reject them and there are no longer public schools for them to attend?