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Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by yangforward, May 6, 2024.

  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    No, I'm just not buying your version of our place in the world now or then.
     
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    undertheice Well-Known Member

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    so just what do you think our place in the world is? are we white hats or black? are we really trying to make the world a better place or are we just playing god for our own ends? step away from the propaganda machines, all of them, for a moment. look at history dispassionately and logically. observe human nature and its role in our societal evolution. recognize that difference, no matter how radical, is not necessarily evil. that evil is, in fact, just a convenient excuse for slaughter, more often than not.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NATO mid 1990s and.png

    NATO Today.png
     
  4. Heartburn

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  5. dairyair

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    I would never in any life time vote for Bernie Sanders. John McCain, yes, I would.
    You lose. Again.
     
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    Countries that were once part of USSR. As has been brought up a few times.

    Have you read any posts in this thread?
     
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    OK

    I thought you may have been promoting an isolationist stance.
    I agree we needed to get involved in WW1/2. And yes, we did start then becoming the aggressor in the world and invaded countries for unknown reasons.
     
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    It’s good that you won’t vote for Bernie Sanders. That sets a parameter.
     
  9. dairyair

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    How many NATO countries were forced to join by war? Or coerced against their will?

    Are you suggesting it's ok for Putin to wage wars to get those countries back?
     
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    What countries did we invade for unknown reasons?
     
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    Many if not all those listed in the post I responded to originally.
     
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    I agree the world is not black and white. For that same reason, you have to take each conflict as a unique case. Vietnam may have been an inappropriate, even criminal, use of American force. Same for Iraq. But Ukraine is really not the same. Russia invading Ukraine is a return of imperialism which was always cruel and immoral. I know I'm kind of waving my hands and oversimplifying it here, but you really should acknowledge that the specific facts of the situation need to be considered. This is more like fighting Hitler for taking over countries than fighting Saddam for... having weapons. Sort of ironically it turned out Hitler actually declared war on us, but still that was a war worth fighting.
     
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    That's what I thought, nothing.
     

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