Over 250,000 People Sign Petition to Ban Trump from UK

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  1. cenydd

    cenydd Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The petition, currently standing at 267,780 signatures and rising, is based on the UK's laws to block entry to individuals on the basis of 'Hate Speech' - the same laws have been used to block some right wing extremists in the past, as well as some Islamic hate preachers.

    Whether it will succeed, or whether the rules can be applied to what Trump has said, is another question, of course, but the petition (on the UK Parliament's own petition site - having over 100,000 signatures the issue will now be considered for a possible parliamentary debate) is an indication of the strength of feeling in the UK about the kind of stuff he has been saying.

    He has also, as a result of his comments, been removed from his position as a business ambassador for Scotland, and been stripped of an honorary degree awarded by a Scottish university.The UK Prime Minister has also (with the support of all main party leaders) unusually broken his silence on US election issues to condemn Trump's recent comments about Muslims.

    The petition reads:
    Whether or not it succeeds, what does it say about the possible issues for alliances and diplomatic relations between the USA and UK (and other countries - anger over his comments is unlikely to be a uniquely UK phenomenon) if Trump were to be elected?
     
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    A Trump presidency would be a diplomatic disaster and if he actually followed thru with his domestic threats (IDing and rounding up Muslims, violating Mexican sovereignty to build a wall, ripping apart partially illegal families, etc.) the US would see civil unrest bordering on (and perhaps crossing into) civil war. But he want win. He has about 6% of the population backing him, some serious craziness would have to happen in the EC for him to take over.
     
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    Kudos to the United Kingdom!
     
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    Some are too blind to see.


    President has the authority to allow anyone into the OUR country. If the people coming in pose a threat because we don't have a proper system in place, then we should HULT EVERYTHING UNTIL WE FIGURE THINGS OUT.

    During this time with muslim extremism on a rampage, this seems like a sensible idea.

    As far as illegal immigrants.


    There are more than 10 million illigal immigrants taking money out of the US economic circulation. That money isn't going back in because most is sent back home.




    If that wasn't enough, they are here ILLIGALY. what wrong with sending them back? Go through the right process and get into this country LEGALLY.

    Do you seriously think we should let them stay just because they succeed in crossing the boarder?


    "Well since you got this far it ok"

    Wow
     
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    I was able to successfully submit donald trumps email address to this petition... I wonder how many others have done something just as silly...

    I do find it amazing how hypocritical some politicians are saying they should never comment on another countries elections, and here they are, chiming in... isn't it fascinating what people say they will or won't do, and then we find out there is always an exception... this reminds me of a game we used to play back at university... we would all bring a bunch of dollars and sit around the table saying things we would do for the cash... you keep putting a dollar in and saying something, if the person up next doesn't believe you would do it for the money, he can challenge you to do it... if you do it you keep the cash, if you don't do it, the challenger gets to keep the cash... just amazing how politicians seem to play this exact same game, except they're using our money when they play... fascinating...
     
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    how does building a wall on land within the united states, violate the sovereignty of mexicans?

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    you really think america would see civil war if we built a wall, and temporary put a hold on muslim immigrants until we verify the procedures we use are effective? newsflash, 33% of democrats just voted on a bill to do that EXACT same thing over the refugees.. trump just extended it all incoming immigrants and travel visas... so trump essentially did exactly what 33% of democrats just voted to do... are you telling me democrats are crazy and disastrous too? I mean they took an actual vote to do it, trump only said words, while democrats took a solid verifiable vote in the house... you can't get more official than that on your record...
     
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    He expects the Mexicans to pay for it. Do you think Trump is just going to ask nicely (and Mexico say yes)? Try to think things thru.
     
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    can you still cite anything that violates their sovereignty... he can ask the canadiens to pay for it if he wants... doesn't mean they will, its not a violation to ask...

    and I'm actually quite willing to bet he would get them to pay... this is how it would likely work...

    in 2014 it appears we gave close to $300 million in foreign aid to mexico... in one year... do you think mexico, is willing to risk how much money they would get in 2017 which will be an estimated $300 million again for that year, over a wall... do you think mexico will just build that wall, for tens of millions of dollars, rather than lose hundreds of millions of dollars... thats how trump or anyone would get mexico to pay for the wall, basically with our own money... since we're giving them foreign aid every single year...

    imagine what would happen if we didn't give them that money, and we just employed our own people to build the wall... well it would consume our land on our side, and we'd probably have to pay 4x the labor cost compared to what mexico would pay their people to do it... so we'll still essentially be "paying" for it since we give them foreign aid, but it'll cost us a hell of a lot less money than if we paid our own people to build it... how ironic is that... it'll be cheaper to compel them to build it or lose foreign aid...

    so I don't think he'll ask nicely as you put it, I think he will be very direct and say, what do you want, a wall, or no $300 million dollars... your choice... they will build the wall...
     
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    He's a great business man and thus negotiator.

    He can extend a special visa partnership. Much of Mexican economy relies on illigals sending money back. If Trump stops Mexican immigration and deports all illigals then it wold literally collapse the Mexican economy. That gives you a lot of room to strong arm.

    Se he has alot of leverage. He could say.

    Hey Mexico, Becayse we are so nice, we would like to extend a visa partnership to you and tax all the money leaving this country and entering yours. In return, you build us a wall.


    It would be in Mexico's best interest to agree
     
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    Who knows
     
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    But that border is crazy long (though you can be forgiven for not realizing that with our northern border) and mostly desert. Simply building a wall and upping the border patrol isn't going to actually work, it's just too much and too hard to watch it. To pull that off, you'd need to militarize it like the Berlin wall. Political blowback aside, we return to how long the border is. The size (and permanence) of the military presence needed to secure the wall would be such that'd it'd be cheaper to invade and annex Mexico.

    NAFTA (which Trump would have to violate for his plan to work) in turn gives the Mexicans a viable legal path to oppose Trump. Trump would have to force the issue in total disregard for the law or Mexico's objections and that would necessitate violating Mexican sovereignty.
     
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    It says that 99.6% of the people in the UK have no issue with Trump.
     
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    In the few hours since I posted this thread, it's gone up by nearly 100,000 signatures.

    That's only the people who have actually signed to say that they think he should be banned from the country, though - I think we can be fairly confident that many times that number have an issue with him and what he has been saying.
     
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    Wow...Just wow...And the word is 'Illegally'...WTF is ILLIGALY?...And I totally agree with the UK on this...I wish there was a petition like that here in Costa Rica...I would sign it in a heart beat...You hang in there, Fallen...:smile:

    - - - Updated - - -

    And all from being such a vile hate monger...Who would have figured?...
     
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    No you cant. Based on the stats that you provided, the confidence level is that people definitely DONT have a problem with him. You are barely grazing at a half percent.
     
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    Absolutely nothing.
     
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    hmmmm..........guess Mr. Trump won't be appearing on the X-Factor or Britain's Got Talent (ever see the Queen state her age)? She paws her right foot on the ground 89 times in a row). Maybe the Brits, who abandoned us in Iraq at the height of the conflict, don't have a problem with their subway system being bombed twice by Islamic fundamentalist fanatics. I totally agree with Mr. Trump - ban any and all Islamic people attempting to enter America, until such time as ISIS is defeated and a part of history. We certainly haven't received any support in America from the Islamic population protesting against their torture and aggression. As to what the Brits think - nobody cares, but if Mr. Trump wins the election, it makes for an interesting proposition regarding relations with them. They have always been hypocrites and Arab-Islamic supporter's, turning over all strategic high ground positions in the Golan Heights, to the Arabs when they were forced out of Palestine by the UN partition in 1948, forcing the fledgling Israeli's to fight for their lives. They also opposed a visit by President George Bush, Jr., late in his second term to London. Obama? They did what all the liberal fools do, knelt down at his feet and lit candles. Mr. Trump's position regarding stopping Islamic visitor's and immigrants is sensible and in line with his opposition to illegal immigration. No border's, no country is his rallying cry, and allowing Islamic's who are murdering Christians and Jews to continue to come to America, makes perfect security sense to me. Don't give a fig what the English think - they have been a second-rate, JV country since 1945 when we saved their butts again with the Marshal Plan.........
     
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    Not sure what planet you hail from, but I have yet to meet somebody who does NOT have a problem with Trump...Right and left...Hell, even my far right brother thinks the Donald is a complete ass...
     
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    0.0017% of the UK population opposes Donald Trump. Obviously he is incredibly popular in the UK!
     
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    Ask relatives of those killed in Paris last month if they want to sign petition.
     
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    It now has about 330,000 signatures which is an amazing amount in such a short time as petitions go. No he has obviously gone over what people find acceptable.
     
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    I don't recall him saying we should round up muslims and figured that was just media spin. Did he really say that? The most recent comments were related to a ban on new ones coming to America even for tourism, though I recall a past idea he had about IDing the ones that are already here. I have much more of a problem with muslim IDs (which really does make you think of the Nazis early treatment of jews) than banning tourism/immigration by muslims, which is more akin to preventing potential enemies from traveling to your country during war. No problem at all with that proposal. I'd never vote Trump, but I like that proposal.

    For what, being against free speech?

    To see a big clock, a pile of stones, and a lot of ugly faces? j/k... but that was about my reaction when somebody suggested I vacation there.

    I'd wager that most people against something wouldn't bother to sign a petition about it.

    People are stupid and we shouldn't care what they think, especially since it's another country that doesn't believe in the fundamental right to free speech.
     
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    No, he is going to hike tariff's on any products imported from Mexico to the U.S. to pay for the border wall, and strengthen the U.S. Border Patrol and law enforcement along the Tex-Mex border, letting them do their jobs. He is the only Presidential candidate who has spend significant time, and supports law enforcement down there. With export fees on any and all products made in Mexico, coming into America, those companies will quickly see the light, and relocate back to America, ending the disaster that is NAFTA, and costing the Mexican economy tremendous loss. So if they don't see the light and start taking action, instead of giving all those Hispanic immigrants coming up from Central and South America, and through Mexico on a free pass across our borders, their economy will end up in ruins, and American companies won't consider locating down there again. BTW, Mexico is the most difficult country in the America's to become a citizen of; own property in (you must have a Mexican citizen sponsor); live and work in on a work visa or cross. Police everywhere, mostly corrupt, as the Mexican government has been since the Pancho Villa revolution, and ignored by America, so they think they can do whatever they want.

    Trump is going to seal the border where it leaks, and decides it is a good idea to eliminate any Islamic's from entering this country, legally or illegally, until such time as Washington gets the system under control to monitor potential terrorists being smuggled in with refugees. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that, the FBI, Border Patrol and U.S. Immigration & Naturalization service admits they have no intelligence data on the flood of refugees attempting to get in, and of course, with an open border, we have no knowledge of the illegal immigrants arriving either.

    Nobody seems to want to give Mr. Trump any credit (other than a massive lead in the polls), regarding the fact that he happens to have the best executive "skill set" of any candidate for the Presidency since John Kennedy, Richard Nixon, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan. Trump operates world wide. Just because he isn't pleasant and bow down and kiss the butts of liberal media and political fools like Obama; Clinton; Bush; Rubio and the mainstream media, who he has turned into the laughingstock of the country, because he controls the agenda, people get mad. Do you think the roast beef eaters Brits would approve of a Putin visit? Bet they would, which would be in keeping with their political hypocrisy..........
     

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