Over 60% of US voters say Russia is enemy – poll

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  1. Jeannette

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    No country in the world can be called our enemy since no country has done anything to hurt us economically.... so it's a misuse of words. We on the other hand, have gone out of our way to hurt Russia, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Iran, and any other country that has refused to do our bidding. In that sense we are their enemies, not the other way around.

    As for Russia and China, they are our main competitors, not enemies.
     
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    China is a major manipulater within our economy, politics and media. I wouldnt say they're necesssrily an enemy, but closer to it than anyone else.
     
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    "Anti-soviet warrior", "road of peace".. Oh Jesus. I have not seen that one.

    Not that it's something so shocking, after almost nobody in media could be expecting he'll turn to be who he turned to be, but still... Kinda gives feeling similar to one you have when look at Hitler's paintings.
     
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    When Putin complained to Pres. Bush about CIA agents embedded with the terrorists in Chechnya, Bush said; 'we can do whatever we want'.

    Putin then said one does not aid terrorists without it coming back to them. Two weeks later 911 happened.
     
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    And created the present stalemate of smaller state actors and INTL terrorism. We were better off with a unified Soviet Union. We were equally better off accepting the idea of a Communist opposition, instead of dreading the existence of Communism. But that's neither here nor there, we have the world we inherited from mistakes, now we need to fix them.
     
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    Also, who is 'Roland Reagan' lol
     
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    I wonder if Saudi Arabia was on the list of choices for 'enemies of america.'
    Thats what I would've chosen, propogating the child raping, head chopping wahabiism everywhere.
    They're more an enemy of the world... but close enough.

    And we just made the biggest weapons deal in history with them.
     
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    Sino-Soviet split - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split
    The Chinese People's Liberation Army trained and supported the Afghan Mujahidin during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. China moved its training camps for the ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_WarThe SovietAfghan War lasted over nine years, from December 1979 to February 1989. .... A Soviet newspaper stated that Egypt and Israel were now "gendarmes of the Pentagon". The Soviets viewed the treaty not only as a peace agreement ...

    Soviet–Afghan War - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War
    The SovietAfghan War lasted over nine years, from December 1979 to February 1989. ..... the older weapons to the militants, Turkey sold their World War II stockpiles to the warlords, and the British and Swiss provided Blowpipe missiles and ...

    etc.
     
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    Yah Russia's the enemy.

    That Bear is gonna eat us all with its 55 billion dollar military budget ( versus our 600 billion) ( and Europe's combined 220 billion)

    Russia has one aircraft carrier that has to be tugboat pulled to engagements versus our 10.

    Criminy.
     
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    except the Mongol one) they knew what to do with the Pushtuns))
     
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    Ahahahaha, "I disapprove your attitude", did your feelings get hoyt?
     
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    the bear is still trying, it has occupied/annexed 4 countries already (Much like Koba and Hitler did) . kills 1000 and 1000 children in Syria. but i do agree its the most pathetic "super" power in history the hospitals of "super" power : https://4tololo.ru/content/5923
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    They lost in astan and bankrupted at the same time, it was shaky ground back in the late 80s.
     
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    "Better off" with a Soviet Union?? Really? Whose lining your pockets?
     
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    Russia has much potential. If only they would act like a normal country (the U.K, Japan, etc.).

    If they "joined the club" and stopped plotting against the West, NATO would probably fade away.
     
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    I don't think, and the poll agrees with me - that Russia is enemy # 1, but they certainly aren't our friend, either.
    N Korea requires more attention until the spoiled fat kid is disarmed...
    Romney was ridiculed because he labeled Russia our biggest threat.
    There is a lot of room between "friend" and "biggest threat".
    No way is Russia our friend or ally, nor are they an immediate threat to us.
     
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    No one. The NATO-military bloc is by neccessity of the Smaller States existence, and in accordance with US status quo philosophy(and European-Eurasian expectation), we're supposed to always be there!(Hell, the NATO members made that clear with their gung-ho approach to Article 5.)

    In simpler terms, under the present political paradigm it is IMPOSSIBLE for the US to escape a conflict between Eurasia and Europe. We'd have to ostensibly pick a side and back it militarily. As I am an American Nationalist, I want to recreate the world map according to US interests. If Europe/Eurasia were effectively neutered, there isn't another war. Obviously such neutering would have been accomplished with US acknowledgment of the Soviet Union and to make it better, there's no Al-Qaeda, no 9/11 and no worldwide terrorism.


    Stop analyzing the world in present day tense, and stop thinking those crybabies should get everything. They're far too USED to US commitment, to the point of invalidating US Sovereignty.
     
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    if *we* stopped funding jihadis to destabilize their neighbors, funding civil unrest and dissorder in their provinces, maybe they would.
     
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    NATO was literally fading away without a mission until Putín attacked Ukraine, then it suddenly became vital again (especially in Poland and other ex-Warsaw Pact members).
     
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    This is a victory for the deep state, the Intel/MSM Complex. They have, using lies, misinformation, propaganda manufactured consent that Russia is some great and evil nation, ran by demons, and our own gov't is as clean as wind driven snow.

    But as long as a millions of americans understand what is going on, having read Orwell, and being astute intellects, these nefarious bastards have not won the war. The Oligarchy will not prevail, and we will get our republic back.
     
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    You can't go by the amount spent on defense since much of it is waste and it also depends on the cost of labor and parts.

    Russia is an export nation and completely self sufficient, so it doesn't need to import any raw materials and parts for its arms. Everything is available to the armed forces and at a low cost to them because of the low value of the Ruble. Keeping it low is a major concern to Moscow.

    What this all means is that the cost to manufacture planes, tanks and guns is very low in comparison to the US with it's high cost of labor and goods. It also means that Russia has a competitive edge when selling its goods because everything can be sold at a lower price.


    Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu signaled Wednesday that Russia has managed to achieve strategic parity with NATO, despite the fact that it spends on defense far less than the United States; according to Russian military expert Viktor Baranets, "the West will never reconcile itself to it."

    Delivering a speech at a government session in the upper house of the Russian parliament, Shoigu pointed out that Russia spends 11 times less than the United States on defense and one-third of China's defense spending.
     
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    All the Hillary voters.
     
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    No, that means I disapproove his attitude, and since he is an adult I expressed my opinion about him in a civilized manner. You may recall me treating you in a same way, a three months ago, or so.
     
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    I point you to expansions of NATO in 90th, where Federation had president with more than warm attitude towards "west", and yet still remained under constant pressure. Also I point to you at "joined the club" Germany, that for over a half of century had armies of foreign countries, including USA, stationed on it's territory, despite the position of german government. And I point to you at Japan and it's army, that does not exists at the present day.

    I assume that "joining the club" of the countries, influenced politically by USA is not an option for any country that USA would see as a potential rival - this country will have nearly no defence, and especially will be left deliberately undefended and exposed to the armies controlled by government that resides in Washington.


    If you somehow may explain such state of things, I will be glad to hear you out. I sincerely do not have faith in large military alliances, and quite disappointed by treatment of my country by foreign media - that is, after all, one of things that form people's opinion. Cold War already gave us whole generations of people who literally had a paranoia, as a clinical condition, legit mental illness, because of the constant presence of the "red threat". Sure, wa-a-ay not all people had such condition, plenty didn't even cared about Union and politics for more than couple times in their lives, I am sure. But I guess I have an adequate reason to be alerted, when US media begins campaign similar to these of the Cold War, with excessive covering of any controversial or purely negative topic about Federation, condemning of federal president, simplifying the image of both the Federation and it's citizens and now more often than not accuses RF citizens or even officials of serious crimes without any proof present, simply because they can, and because there is nobody to object.


    Obviously, seeing that can not be not concerning.
     
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    i dont think so , personal Hilary was very taught on Kremlin kleptocracy. am i wrong?
     
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