Painting of Cops as Pigs Hung Proudly in US Capitol

I mean....everything, literally EVERYTHING, is subjective. But hiding behind that type of argument is usually a sign of defeat as there isn't any rational, real world argument to support someone's case otherwise.

But the shooting of Micheal brown was justified to all but the most extremist of police haters. To call it just an interpretation, although technically correct, is ridiculous. It's the equivalent of stating Rodney King getting his ass wooped was justified. And claiming your interpretation cannot be wrong. Yes, technically you are correct, but that is....dumb.

 

That would be cool; we could hang it beside the one in which the entirety of the nation's Mainstream Media of 2008 is in line pushing and shoving one another to be the next one to give Barack Obama a blow job. It could be called 'Quid Pro Blow'.

 

They supported "free Speech"...that thing you Liberals like to keep mentioning, but have no idea what it is when you actually see it. Typical left wing, tossing sound bytes they don't understand and then lying and twisting when shown.

 

Not i deal with facts not perception... You are welcome as well.

 

Sure there are mitigating facts which must be taken into account it didn't just start when the victim turned his back. They jury must consider those facts and apparently that caused a split decision which after the second consideration it move more towards an acquittal.

 

So you believe the Confederate Flag promotes hate.

 

Only if one believes they target blacks unfairly.
All winning paintings have hung there. Doesn't mean gov't supports them.

 

I never was affected by that flag because I grew up in California, but It is a horrible reminder to black Americans of how ugly the south was in the past. I am all for healing the divide, but I will say, when liberals try to make me feel guilty of what they call "white privilege", I have an issue with that, because I have never judged a person by the color of their skin.

 

Well to be open-minded about it the Union flag is far more racist and oppressive than the Confederate flag. The Union flag was based upon the idea of slavery, which is why the slavers like Washington and Jefferson fought the Revolutionary War. And then they made slavery and racial oppression part of American law for 89 years. The North wanted to deport black people and the South wanted to import millions more. And at the time of the Civil War black people didn't have any rights in either the North or in the South. After the war the North didn't want the freed slaves living there or in the West and the South still wanted them as field workers.

And it was under the Union flag that Jim Crow laws were the law of the land for the next 100 years. Northerners like FDR wouldn't even let black soldiers kill white Nazi soldiers who were trying to take over the world or would they let them work in war factories to build weapons to use against them.

So in the end the Union flag is far more racist and oppressive than the Confederate flag. The difference is in the propaganda. BTW, California was just as racist as any of the Southern States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jim_Crow_law_examples_by_state#California

 

Look to what fake news has done. Look to how the media can influence public opinion, how many people focus on what and who they listen and see on tv. The hands up don't shoot was made up, the actual truth once exposed exonerated the police officer.

Jan 20th cannot come fast enough, the most destructive and divisive President and Administration in history will finally be shown the door. I'm going to the Inauguration, whose with em?

 

Art is creativity. Anything goes as long as it is interesting.

 

We, the city in which I grew up and still live next ro, are a city of 6 flags that have flown over it, our state is a state of many flags that have flown over it. Those flags represent the history of our city and state. Of those flags the French, the British, the Spanish introduced and built slavery here. That included white slavery from Europe including my Irish heritage. It also includes the flag of the country from which we fought for our independence because of the oppression under which they held us. I am not offended when I see those flags on our city seal and our state seal as that is history. But I should say on the city as WAS not offended as when the city council voted to remove the Confederate States flag, a country under which we existed, they ended up just removing all that history and those other countries. So the seal is no longer historical.

 

The only people who can determine it is doing so are the people who are displaying it at the time. LOTS of people display it with absolutely no hate in mnd. Why do you get to assign it to them?

 

What an utter nonsense. Charlie Hebdo got attacked by muslim extremists for their anti-muslim cartoon. And you claim the US government doesn't know what they support when they take part in a march commemorating those who died? lol

That is not the US government doesn't have no idea what it is about.
That is you ranting the most absurd things so it fits your agenda.
lol

 

That doesn't mean black people are being judges for their skin color in a negative way, where you haven't because you're white (assuming you're white here). Exactly that is white privilege.

 

Not when it comes to hanging it in a government building, because the constitution strictly forbids it. You're constructing a massive straw man. When the view of society given in this painting becomes a legitimate religious view, we can have this discussion.

Until then, it just proves you have no argument beyond nonsense and non arguments.

 

We have not discussed my interpretation of squat. I have not offered any opinion or interpretation on this set of facts. We have discussed a painter's interpretation and whether his interpretation as expressed in artwork should be banned from public view on public property, namely the White House because it is deemed offensive or unpopular by a large number of viewers. His artistic vision does represent his interpretation of those events, because he has said so! that is good enough for me.

 

You pick some rather odd facts to deal with and others not to, and you interpret what they mean in subjective and possibly peculiar ways. That is no different than what this artist is accused of/

 

Yes and his interpretation of the events is simply foolish. I am not arguing that it is not his interpretation. Im simply arguing it is foolish.

It is literally the equivalent of believing Rodney King getting his ass wooped was justified. You CAN interpret it that way, but it is foolish to do so.

 

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about either flag. The only flag I care about is the American flag. History has stains on it, period, and people need to move forward instead of backwards. The backwards movement was exacerbated when Obama became the president of the United States.

 

History has some very ugly stains on it, and the only flag I care about is the American flag, and there is a movement to take it down, and to me, that is the flag I will fight for.

 

Those exact words you just typed are what makes our nation divided and hateful. Casting a wide net on a society based solely on skin color is the what really pisses me off, and the reason our nation will fall eventually, history will definitely repeat itself.

 

I respect that Bronco, unfortunately that was not the norm for many folks down South. There is such a thing as "white privilege", that doesn't mean every white person has been privileged.

 

Amazing how those people never stepped up to tell the racist this flag doesn't represent hate and we don't want you using it for such.

 

I'm certain there is at least remnants white privilege in the south, fortunately nothing like it was. I mentioned this before on this forum, I did my AIT army training in Fort Rucker Alabama, and I was absolutely shocked at the racism in 1970. My black friends and I couldn't go off post together without getting attacked. I hated it then and I hate it now. I will stand for and fight for one flag and one flag only, that is the American flag. United We Stand, Divided We Fall