Parkland Students Call Out Florida Politicians, NRA After Jacksonville Shooting: ‘Enough of Your BS’

"Parkland students David Hogg and Delaney Tarr were among those who reacted to the Jacksonville, Fla. shooting on Sunday. According to the Jacksonville police department, there were 'multiple fatalities' after a gunman opened fire at a 'Madden NFL 19' livestream competition....

"Using the hashtag #AntherFLShooting, Hogg said change will not come unless people vote in November. He directed a question to Florida Senator Marco Rubio, asking, 'How many mass shootings in your state will it take for you to do something?'....

"Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter Jaime Guttenberg was killed during the Stoneman Douglas shooting, wrote, 'To NRA, gun lobby, manufacturers and everyone else, enough of your moronic twisting of the 2nd amendment. We have a right to public safety. Enough of your BS.' "
https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/jacksonville-shooting-parkland-students-react-1202917239/

Florida again. The state has become infamous for its lax gun laws.

 

And its crackpots.

 

Didn't the Parkland shooter pass a federal background check?

Do you know anything about this shooter to blame this on lax gun laws? What do you blame the mass shootings in California on?

 

Was the individual who committed the shooting actually in legal possession of a firearm?

 

Passing a federal background check is not enough. I have advocated a permit-to-purchase system.

 

The same type of system that exists in the state of New York?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/nyregion/brooklyn-ny-bribes-nypd-officers-gun-permits.html

A member of a neighborhood watch group in Brooklyn who obtained dozens of handgun permits by bribing officers in the New York Police Department’s gun-licensing division also handed out cash and gifts to other officers assigned across Brooklyn, prosecutors said Thursday.

That disclosure, made in Federal District Court in Manhattan, suggests that rather than winding down, a major federal investigation into corruption within the police department is still turning up new evidence of misconduct.

The revelation that additional officers had accepted cash and gifts came during the sentencing of Alex Lichtenstein, a member of the shomrim, a neighborhood patrol operating in ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in Brooklyn.

On Thursday, a judge sentenced Mr. Lichtenstein, known as Shaya, to 32 months in prison and told him that he had betrayed the “public trust by bribing and corrupting New York City police officers.”

As Mr. Lichtenstein prepared to report to prison, federal prosecutors hinted that their case against him had yielded new evidence “of money he was spreading to other police officers, throughout Brooklyn.”

The other officers were not named, but prosecutors said that the list included “high-ranking officers,” and that the United States attorney’s office in Manhattan had evidence of individual payments.

“He kept detailed records,” Russell Capone, an assistant United States attorney, said of Mr. Lichtenstein. “I have them right here,” he told Judge Sidney H. Stein. But Mr. Capone did not describe them much further, saying only that the records contained “more than 100 entries of payments made to — or things bought for — police officers” across Brooklyn.

Mr. Capone disclosed the existence of the records in arguing that Mr. Lichtenstein’s bribery scheme was not limited to the small gun-licensing division in Police Headquarters. But it was not immediately clear whether the United States attorney’s office intended to pursue these cash payments and gifts as a criminal matter.

Mr. Lichtenstein was arrested last year amid a major F.B.I. investigation into influence-peddling and bribery within the New York Police Department. F.B.I. investigators ultimately charged three businessmen, including Mr. Lichtenstein, in court papers that described how self-appointed police liaisons within the Orthodox community, such as Mr. Lichtenstein, exercised such influence within Police Headquarters that police commanders would turn to them for support when seeking a promotion. In Mr. Lichtenstein’s case, the charges were related to bribing officers in return for rubber-stamping handgun license applications.

The F.B.I. inquiry has so far resulted in charges against a police inspector and a deputy inspector, along with a sergeant and another officer.

 

We know. Once the right to keep and bear arms is no longer a protected individual right such a scheme could be possible.

Edit: The state of Maryland, where the Jacksonville shooter is from, has such a permit-to-purchase system in place for handguns, and a ban on "large capacity magazines", which would explain why witnesses heard just 11 shots in the gaming venue. That venue was a gun free zone that prohibited even licensed CCW holders from carrying a concealed weapon inside.

 

Exactly how does the 'permit to purchase' keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

It doesn't. Someone who follows laws regarding gun purchase and ownership, aren't usually the ones who ignore other gun laws. So once again, all it does is provide information to a governing authority, and provides no safety factor whatsoever.

 

Not to mention that in NYC, a permit to purchase is more expensive than most actal handguns, and is routinely denied on the first application, unless you are politically connected. They do this for two reasons, one, to enhance revenue, and two, to discourage those who won't bother applying again. I have this info from insider knowledge.

 

Well, there's a surprise. I've lived in NY, both city and state. I will never voluntarily live there again.

 

Which would ultimately do no good. Even if a permit-to-purchase system was in place in the state of Florida, this incident would still have occurred regardless.

If the individual responsible was a legal firearm owner, the incident would simply be used as justification to call for the permitting requirements to become much stricter than what would be in place to begin with.

If the individual responsible was not a legal firearms owner, and instead illegally possessed the firearm, the argument would be that it is the fault of states with so-called "lax" firearm-related restrictions, and be used as justification to call for federal-level firearm-related restrictions holding all fifty states to the same level.

 

And all this is moot - the shooter is from Maryland with strict gun laws, including a permit to purchase for handguns.

 

Where was the firearm acquired, and through what means? Was the individual in question a resident of the state of Maryland who was visiting the state of Florida, or had he moved to the state of Florida and became a legal resident there? Was the firearm originally purchased in the state of Maryland in compliance with its permitting requirements and brought along, or was it purchased in the state of Florida? Was it purchased from a federally licensed firearms dealer, or through a private transaction?

 

The gun banners have lowered their threshold.

Seems the shooter just had a single handgun. So the banners have gone from "assault rifles" should be regulated/banned to handguns should be regulated/banned.

And there were 3 deaths, one being the shooter who killed himself. Banners used to go with the FBI threshold of 4 deaths, now they nationalize every shooting.

Banners are desperate and are ramping up the emotional squealing.

 

Evidently he was a resident of Baltimore who had traveled to the Florida tournament to compete. The various news agencies report that SWAT was searching the shooter's house in Baltimore.

No data so far on where or the firearm was actually purchased.

 

Then either the city of Baltimore in the state of Maryland, with its permit-to-purchase system missed something and allowed this individual to legally purchase a firearm within the state, or it was acquired illegally by someone who was potentially looking to traffic it back to the state of Maryland after the tournament was over.

 

"The suspected shooter had purchased two handguns legally in Maryland before traveling to Jacksonville for the event, law enforcement officials said."

http://time.com/5378639/madden-shooting-jacksonville-florida/

Yeah, they missed something:

"Divorce filings from the parents of 24-year-old David Katz of Baltimore say that as a teenager he was twice hospitalized in psychiatric facilities and that he was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depressant medications."

https://abc7chicago.com/david-katz-who-is-the-jacksonville-shooting-suspect/4065537/

 

Jacksonville shooting : first 911 call 1334, first officer on scene @ 1337...it was already over, that's why we carry...and yes it was a gun free zone

 

It would appear the above puts an end to the discussion pertaining to the need for a permit-to-purchase system being implemented by the state of Florida. The city of Baltimore in the the state of Maryland is officially at fault for this one, it is not the fault of anyone else, except for David Katz himself.

 

Maybe he was pushed?

 

I wonder if you realize the shooter was from Maryland, and had to follow Maryland laws in legally purchasing a firearm.

 

LoL @ living "knife free".

What a bunch of infantile pathetic bull****. Did they start cutting people's balls off at birth in the UK?

 

Unless the shooting happens in Chicago, on a islamic child terror training compound in NM, outside YouTube HQ, or if it involves an illegal alien.

 

Boy this thread got wrecked pretty fast.

Maybe next time.

 

Pushed by what exactly? What could have provoked David Katz to travel from the state of Maryland, to the state of Florida, with a firearm in his possession the entire way, and make use of it for the purpose of killing others?