Part 3 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

You're unfamiliar with how a "hypothetical" works, aren't you?

Gotcha, so murderers who believe in Jesus get eternal bliss, nonbelievers who work for social justice get eternal torment. Yes, justice is certainly served there. :V

Maybe YHWH shouldn't have granted me a rational mind and logic, then, to question why YHWH operates like a gangster engaging in a protection racket.

Then YHWH's an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) if it refuses to explain itself.

Assuming, of course, that YHWH exists, which is very unlikely.

 

I do not claim I am the smartest, I just present the facts.
There is only one God of Abraham and that is Jesus Christ.
The Jews are no longer worship the God of Abraham ever since they rejected Jesus Christ.
Muslims are worse they never are worshipping the God of Abraham they worship the god of Mohammed.

Muslim have totally different story same names only but different characteristic and story that has nothing in common with the Bible.
Jews have great similarity with Christian up to the Old Testament only after that they move move from Christianity.
Christianity recognize and worship the God of Abraham of the Jews and continue on worshipping Him with the coming of Jesus Christ, Jews stop at that point.

We are all chosen people of God. The early Jew were chosen not because they are special but because they were chose to carry the message of God to the whole world and the leaders of the Jews move away from that mission and claim it for themselves that is why they refuse to accept Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ message was about universality for the Jews the Romans and all gentiles are the enemies and have no place for God, yes someday they will accept Jesus Christ and realise he is the Messiah but for now they are wrong for rejecting him.

 

English is not my first language that is why it is easier for me to understand that humans are not apes and apes are not humans. Your issue or problem should be raise with the scientist who claim that apes and humans are distinct creatures of their own, not with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate#Historical_and_modern_terminology
The relationships among the different groups of primates were not clearly understood until relatively recently, so the commonly used terms are somewhat confused. For example, "ape" has been used either as an alternative for "monkey" or for any tailless, relatively humanlike primate.[6]

Sir Wilfrid Le Gros Clark was one of the primatologists who developed the idea of trends in primate evolution, and the living members of the order could be arranged in an ascending series leading to humans.[7] Commonly used names for groups of primates, for example "prosimians", "monkeys", "lesser apes" and "great apes", reflect this arrangement.

According to our current understanding of the evolutionary history of the primates, several of these groups are paraphyletic, meaning although all the species in the group descend from a common ancestor, the group does not include all the descendants of that ancestor.[8]

By contrast with approaches such as those of Le Gros Clark, modern classifications typically use groups that are monophyletic, since they include all the descendants of a common ancestor.[9] The diagram below shows one possible classification of the living primates,[10] with groups with commonly used names shown on the right.

All the groups that have scientific names are monophyletic (i.e. they are clades), so the scientific classification reflects evolutionary history. Some of the traditional groups shown on the right, which form an "ascending series", are paraphyletic:
"prosimians" contain two monophyletic groups, the suborder Strepsirrhini (lemurs, lorises and allies), as well as the tarsiers, which are a sister group to the infraorder Anthropoidea (also called Simiiformes).

"monkeys" consist of two monophyletic groups, New World monkeys and Old World monkeys, but exclude hominoids (superfamily Hominoidea).
"apes" as a whole, and the "great apes" in particular, are not monophyletic because they exclude humans.
Thus, the two sets of groups, and hence names, do not match, which causes problems in relating scientific names to common names. Consider the superfamily Hominoidea. In terms of the common names on the right, this group consists of apes and humans, and there is no single common name for all the members of the group. One possibility is to create a new common name, in this case "hominoids". Another possibility is to expand the use of one of the traditional terms. For example, in a 2005 book, the vertebrate palaeontologist Benton wrote, "The apes, Hominoidea, today include the gibbons and orang-utan ... the gorilla and chimpanzee ... and humans",[11] thereby using "apes" to mean "hominoids". The group traditionally called "apes" must then be called the "nonhuman apes".


Ironic that you still insist to twist words to make it appear humans evolve from apes it would seem no amount of science can make you understand is it because of me? You just can not accept that I got it right?

Primates
Haplorrhini
Anthropoidea
Catarrhini
Hominoidea
Hominidae
Homininae

humans (genus Homo)
chimpanzees (genus Pan)
gorillas (subfamily Gorillinae)
orangutans (family Pongidae)
gibbons (family Hylobatidae)
Old World monkeys (superfamily Cercopithecoidea)
New World monkeys (parvorder Platyrrhini)
Tarsiiformes
tarsiers (superfamily Tarsioidea)
Strepsirrhini
Lemuriformes
lemurs (superfamily Lemuroidea)
lorises and allies (superfamily Lorisoidea)

 

I got it right, nothing can start from nothing = A Creator.

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I got it right, nothing can start from nothing = A Creator.

 

Humans are apes; not all apes are humans, but all humans are apes. It's a matter of taxonomy.

You realize that basically says that in order for there to be natural groupings, humans must be included as apes, right?

No, you decidedly got it wrong. You're misinterpreting what's written either because of a language barrier (in which case, I'd suggest you look up "human evolution" on Wikipedia and Google in your native language) or because of intentional misinterpretation to support your own conclusion (in which case, there is no helping you until you decide to be intellectually honest).

I fail to see the relevance of simply listing off extant groups of primates. Humans and modern apes are descended from an ancestral population of apes that is a common ancestor to all of them.

 

Seems like you are always getting censored?...lol Must be the heat in the kitchen...lol

When the critic says there's no God he's basing this on his own insight, and unless he has insight into 100% of all knowledge he can never be sure he's right.

 

You realize your incessant use of circular reasoning and dismissal of the use of proof isn't really making for good arguments?

Also, you've totally ignored my much larger post on why the Bible cannot be trusted.

The onus of proof is on you, given that you're making a claim for the existence of something. And you've not done anything to provide any evidence.

 

All your opinion?
It was a simple yes or no questions.
If you want to add words to explain, back up your opinions with facts.

ps - my original response wasn't to you.

 

Peace, love, joy, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. According to Paul in Galatians, these are the qualities that are exhibited by someone truly walking with the Holy Spirit.
Now, what is your theory for you not exhibiting these traits or apparently even pursuing them?

 

By this definition, God must be nothing.

 

Perhaps there are differences in how the 3 Abrahamic religions worship God, but they all worship the same God of Abraham.

The God of Abraham is the God of the Jews, the God of the Christians, The God of Islam and the God of Jesus.

As far as differences in the way God is worshiped. Even different Christian sects have different beliefs. They still all worship the same God though.

 

OK ... Full Stop. Tough questions coming and I really look forward to some insightful answers.

1) How do you know God did not create Evil ?
2) If God did not Create Evil then who did
3) Did God not create the world and everything in it ?

 

The God of Abraham demanded human sacrifice. He hardly seems worthy of being worshiped by anyone, especially by modern man in the 21st Century.

 

God said that he created evil in the Bible. Don't you think he would know if he did or didn't?

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) = I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

Ok, here is how the word ape got associated to humans, it all started in the 1800s before Darwin (I forgot the name of that scientist) at a time when new exploration were becoming a possibility Europeans are able to reach the heart of Africa and this scientist notice the close similarities of certain apes such as chimpanzees to humans he was the first to theorise that humans evolve from apes. Darwin did not confirm this theory he only said that history will reveal it self (something in that effect) but Darwin never officially claim that human evolve from apes. Centuries later scientist begun to learn that the physio similarities of this apes and humans are only physical and later with more fossil discoveries they now classify human and apes under primates but of different grouping the word ape become implanted back then so modern scientist classify humans as homo and none humans as the different monkey groups such as gorillas, chimpanzees etc.

That is why you will not see any scientific study or chart that shows monkeys to humans. It will show the ancestor of monkeys and humans as coming from one godfather called primate in fact scientist are now trying to go further back and learning the ancestor of the primate. Monkeys and humans will evolve separately from each other monkeys will go their way and humans will go their way. In fact scientist also separated gorillas from chimpanzees in other words each monkey or ape species are group according to their own a gorilla is not or did not evolve from or vice versa from chimpanzees.

The listing clearly show that humans and apes or monkeys are separate from one another.

Primates
Haplorrhini
Anthropoidea
Catarrhini
Hominoidea
Hominidae
Homininae

humans (genus Homo)
chimpanzees (genus Pan)
gorillas (subfamily Gorillinae)
orangutans (family Pongidae)
gibbons (family Hylobatidae)
Old World monkeys (superfamily Cercopithecoidea)
New World monkeys (parvorder Platyrrhini)
Tarsiiformes
tarsiers (superfamily Tarsioidea)
Strepsirrhini
Lemuriformes
lemurs (superfamily Lemuroidea)
lorises and allies (superfamily Lorisoidea)

http://www.macroevolution.net/human-evolution-timeline.html#.US7wTaLOEdA
http://www.macroevolution.net/homo-neanderthalensis-2.html#.US7q2qLOEdA

Taxonomy is also split into human and apes or monkeys.,
Human taxonomy is the classification of the species Homo sapiens or modern human.

 

By that definition it mean you just can not understand and insist that anything can start from nothing. As I have said nothing can start from nothing therefore this proof that God is that infinite being no end no beginning the Alpha and Omega that started everything.

 

I have exhibited those traits that is why I am here entertaining your tough and anti Christian questions.
I am sure you want us Christians just to seat back and get run over right, but thanks to the Crusade we finally understand when to fight back and fight a just war. In this case it is a just cause to be here and answer critics if we don't then we will be doing a great disservice to God and church.

 

Ok, ok I will answer with a simple yes or no the way you wanted.

No, Islam and Judaism do not worship the Christian God of Abraham. Proof, it is in Muslim koran read it. Proof in Judaism there Pharisees or Rabbis have said so.
If you do not wish for me to answer then send it as a private message to whom ever you are directing the question to.
Now my turn, how can you claim that Muslims worship the same God as Christians when they don't worship Jesus Christ? You don't have to answer yes or no I prefer an elaborate answer.

Same with Judaism, how can Judaism claim they are worshipping the God of Abraham when they have rejected Jesus Christ who have proclaim Himself to be the God of Abraham.

 

It is true that the Israelites engaged in human sacrifice. For at least 500 years prior to Persia they were polytheistic and did not pay much attention to YHWH, at least not the YHWH we know today.

Baal and Asherah were the most commonly worshiped Gods. El's son and Consort. Asherah was also identified with YHWH so things get a bit confusing.

El was the God of Abraham but how he gets transformed into YHWH is a bit murky. YHWH, at one time is a son of El ... later YHWH achieves characteristics of both El and Baal.

The Persians free the Jews from Babylonian captivity. The Persian religion is Zoroastrian monotheism and they abhor child sacrifice. It is at this time that the Jews adopt monotheism and stop sacrificing children.

They figure that God is on the side of the King of Persia (Cyrus) and so they adopt the Persian religion. The Bible is written/edited at this time and this is why when the Israelites come on troubled times it is blamed on going away from monotheism.

 

Then how can you claim to worship a Jew that was supposedly the son of this god? I would think that if his own people rejected him as some sort of messiah the message would be pretty clear. Christians are really no different than Jews or Muslims. Each religion goes through its own set of beliefs in the way it worships this god. Your claim that Islam and Judaism does not worship the same god is bogus.

 

You have said nothing can start from nothing.
If I am to believe you, then God can not exist.

 

Go back and read your posts and see if you really believe they are written with patience and kindness and gentleness. Pick out the joy they exude. If they are missing so is your self control.
If you think they are exhibited, I must question your self awareness.

 

We worship Jesus Christ not because he is a Jew but because He is God. Not all his own people rejected him just like many none Jews also rejected Jesus Christ. Yes each religion goes to their own sets of belief we Christians follow the direct line to Jesus Christ, Judaism and Islam does not they follow their own line that goes not to Jesus Christ.

 

Here this line is just one example;
Originally Posted by WanRen
I have exhibited those traits that is why I am here entertaining your tough and anti Christian questions.
I am sure you want us Christians just to seat back and get run over right, but thanks to the Crusade we finally understand when to fight back and fight a just war. In this case it is a just cause to be here and answer critics if we don't then we will be doing a great disservice to God and church.

I have responded to all kinds of hostilities, so maybe you can post some of my lines that you feel is unChristian traits?

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How can you believe that God does not exist if you are here and exist? Do you exist? am I having a discussion with someone or am I just imagining things?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...regarding-christianity-64.html#post1062341738

Here no sense in me repeating what has been stated and 99% of the abrahamic religious people know.

In case you didn't understand the 1st link.
http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...regarding-christianity-65.html#post1062342326