Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Mitt - you are deflecting from previous deception -- you said "God can do no wrong" -- yet in scripture we read how indeed God made a mistake when he created you Brother Mitt.. a mistake which God regrets ... the creation of original sin .. alive and well in you Brother Mitt.

Why do you speak falsely in God's name Brother Mitt - compounding the mistake .. making it worse .. although not as bad as the sin of blasphamy - of which you also adore.. reminds me of a certain "Whore of Babylon" .. the awfull horror we read about in Scripture .. all the blasphemies

Rev 13:5 "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies -It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people ... inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast"

Sound familiar Mitt ? Do you now know where God went wrong .. and where you went wrong .. trying to pretend that the worst evil is Holy .. in some backwards paradigm of deception. How can you say the Beast is Good .. that the beast is holy and perfect .. such that it should be worshiped day and night .. ? What is this latest deception ?

Do you think it was due to the use of these secondhand materials that God made such errors .. Creation of the Beast .. and aforementioned adherent ? The Bible's words .. not mine .. (the error part)

 

Ack . Yeeeooowwwza . think we have some infected ones .... sure I seen some round these parts

 

The only thing I see not fitting here is your misinterpretation that God was going to wipe out all life and start over. Will you need to read more carefully and not misinterpret for there is nowhere where Scripture tells us God was going to wipe out all life and start over.

No, God does not change His mind. God knows everyone, everything, for He is omniscient. He counts the stars (trillions) and calls them all by name. He knew all of us before we were even born and so of course He knew about Noah as a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, who walked in close fellowship with God.

We Read in Scripture:

19 God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19 NLT

6 “I am the Lord, and I do not change. That is why you descendants of Jacob are not already destroyed. Malachi 3:6 NLT

20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 1 John 3:20 ESV

4 He counts the stars
and calls them all by name. Psalm 147:4 NLT

5 “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.
Before you were born I set you apart
and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5 NLT

15 You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16 You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed. Psalm 139:15-16 NLT

The Story of Noah

9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God. 10 Noah was the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 Now God saw that the earth had become corrupt and was filled with violence. 12 God observed all this corruption in the world, for everyone on earth was corrupt. 13 So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!

14 “Build a large boat[a] from cypress wood and waterproof it with tar, inside and out. Then construct decks and stalls throughout its interior. 15 Make the boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high.[c] 16 Leave an 18-inch opening[d] below the roof all the way around the boat. Put the door on the side, and build three decks inside the boat—lower, middle, and upper.

17 “Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die. 18 But I will confirm my covenant with you. So enter the boat—you and your wife and your sons and their wives. 19 Bring a pair of every kind of animal—a male and a female—into the boat with you to keep them alive during the flood. 20 Pairs of every kind of bird, and every kind of animal, and every kind of small animal that scurries along the ground, will come to you to be kept alive. 21 And be sure to take on board enough food for your family and for all the animals.”

22 So Noah did everything exactly as God had commanded him. Genesis 6:9-22 NLT

Footnotes
a. 6:14a Traditionally rendered an ark.
b. 6:14b Or gopher wood.
c. 6:15 Hebrew 300 cubits [138 meters] long, 50 cubits [23 meters] wide, and 30 cubits [13.8 meters] high.
d. 6:16 Hebrew an opening of 1 cubit [46 centimeters].

Again, I repeat myself, God does not change His mind. He has not changed His divine plan; you could say it's going along as planned.

The only one guilty of "not noticing" is you for not noticing that you have misinterpreted Scripture. I've noticed it now let's see if you can notice your own errors after reading more carefully will so you are able to interpret what you read correctly and not incorrectly.

Ok thanks will for your post.

 

Evolution doesn't suggest that humans could go back to living the way humans lived thousands of years ago.

Evolution is about progression, NOT regression. Evolution is COUNTER to regression.

Nothing about humans suggests that we couldn't have lived long ago in very different ways from today - living in caves, hunting and gathering, etc.

 

We read in scripture:

 

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And you are the one not noticing the questions I have posed. Science and hydrology prove the flood of the Bible could not have occurred. But your reluctance to understand or accept science is evident to all.

 

Mitt -- you have no idea what God is .. or is not -- and indeed God changed his mind --- just as God was wrong -- creating you was a mistake as per Genesis 6 - and because of your wicked nature ... God decided to destroy all your kind .. but then saw Moses - changed his mind and decided to spare a few of the worthless souls that he had created --- knowing they would be wicked and evil as before. Without this change of heart .. you would not here Mitt..


Now stop accusing others of misrepresenting God --- when you are the one doing so.. blasphemy in near every post.

and why on earth would God need to count every star if he is omniscient ? Just making things up Mitt ..pretending you know things about God that you do not.

 

That's the made up story. But I don't believe it.

 

What's a "made up story"?

Evolution is a fundamental of all modern biology. You can't just call that a "story".

 

The Bible is not the infallible word of god when it portrays god in a negative light but it is infallible when it comes to the process of life on earth.
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The Noah story is simply a war story using a flood as a metaphor for the invading army. The dove and olive branch signifies peace. The raven signifies that the conflict is still going on. The Noah story also illustrates the First Commandment = Exodus 34:11-16. Noah is also the only major character in the biblical fairytale who did exactly as he had been told to do without whining, even though he didn't have any idea as to how to make it a reality.

And when it was all over, he slaughtered a lot of the animals and had a big barbeque and he got falling down drunk.

 

Amen!

It's an even stranger story when one considers the Christian concept of original sin and the idea that god made man in his own image.

How did Noah dodge THAT?

 

https://www.boredpanda.com/interesting-fascinating-facts/

 

The assorted biblical gods were simply the series of emperors, chief priests, and kings of the various ancient Midlle Eastern empires during ancient times. The biblical God bit the dust when the last Babylonian emperor croaked around 530 BC and the Babylonian Empire collapsed. He is never, ever coming back. In ancient times, everyone and his brother could become gods. The last god was the Japanese emperor who gave up the title after WWII. Some nitwits consider trump to be their god.

 

Haven't you read Zephaniah 1:2-3 (CEV) =" 2 I, the Lord, now promise
to destroy everything
on this earth—
3 people and animals,
birds and fish.
Everyone who is evil
will crash to the ground,
and I will wipe out
the entire human race."

 

Yes, I think that the scientific proposition that animals evolved into men is a make believe story. You can believe you evolved from animals. I don't. I also personally know spiritually that God is real, that he lives, and is divine. Life is spirit, not creature. Spirit is the life of the creature. This is true. Our spirits experience mortality thru our creatures or bodies. This is necessary for our eternal life in God, contingent upon our acceptance of the gospel of Jesus Christ and his great sacrifice on our behalf.

 

It's the same story as animals evolving into dogs or animals evolving into sharks.

Yes, we have seriously complex brains.

But, your belief in God isn't proven or disproven by the fact that humans evolved, just like other life forms evolved.

 

What a pile of inane - illogical nonsense and fallacy.. sorry mate but no one told you that your computer coming from earth made your computer 4 billion years old .. so why are you pretending otherwise ..

Evolution is a fact - unlike your made up defacto assertions about God -- as if God sat down with you for Tea .. and told you what up .. cept the only problem .. is that when I say "Great you have God's ear .. please have God answer me this question" you have nothing to say .. because in reality .. "The TRUTH" "The FACT" is that God doesn't speak to you .. and never sat down with you for Tea .. and does not come running at your beckon command .. to answer stupid questions.

Evolution is simply genetic mutation(s) - which is happening all the time .. you have had a number of them in your lifetime already .. it is simply what happens and can happen in a number of different ways. Recently we found out that identical twins .. one went into space .. when came back .. were no longer identical DNA .. Evolution in action ..

Not so sure about that one - tough one such that defacto claim unwarrented. In general however, I agree .. those are the main driving forces .. replication is a required criteria for evolution .. no ability to replicate . no evolution .. was a big step along the chain .. interstingly enough they are now able to produce self replicating RNA in the lab .. recreating environmental conditions

That said --- there is a ghost in the machine .. a driving force beyond random-ness .. goes against entropy = against one of the laws of thermodynamics .. instead of going from order to chaos .. goes in reverse .. that was the big ring ring a ding of "Chaos Theory" - The book by James Glieck was a good read some 40 years ago. In the midst of chaotic systems you have ordered structurs forming .. which should not be there.. In my 4th year Chem I did Quantum Chemistry --- went through all the founders from einsten to bohr .. did the Shrodinger wave equations .. there too was found the ghost .. or two...

My specialty environmental microbiology --- have clearned up hydrocarbon contaminated sites by getting bacteria to eat the hydrocarbons .. and I didn't add any new backteria .. just convinced the fine fellows that were there to use it as food... .. there too I found some serious ghosts ..

None of this is an argument for God -- so much as it is the Ghost in the Machine .. call it the Holy Ghost if you like is a little bit an argument for a divinity .. and perhaps an argument for a better definition of "GOD" .... not anthropomorphic .. not so much Omnipotent - Omnicient - not the Sit down for Tea with Injeun on a regular basis variety.

No but we are getting there .. the understanding of how it happend "abiogenesis" has come a long way the last decade or two. In my bacteria work ..there is this thing called quorum sensing .. like how birds navigate .. same idea but was a communication mechanism throughout the "Biofilm" .. so a biofilm consists of millions of bacteria .. say the one on your teeth in the morning .. all doing various things .. each having individual functions .. but then you have consortial events .. activities of the consortia as a whole .. which changes and gets specialized .. for example when you get a cold .. the bacteria in your throught - "good bacteria" get weakened .. and bad bacteria can then get a foothold . and a war begins.. one of the defense mechanism is to produce slime .. "EPS" Extra -Cellular Polymeric Substances .. as a defense mechanism .. when hit with a biocide they do this and the whole biofilm expels water and shrinks up to as much as 1-10th of its original size ..

Now .. for every one human cell in your body - you have 9 bacterial cells -- so -- your really a home for them .. mind you a human cell is much bigger .. so volume wise .. you are more human than bug . but this symbiotic relationship ... is quite something to behold . involved in everything from joint pain - arthritis to MS .. and all kinds of other things they are finding out numbers wise .. more of them than you .. but without them you die .. and vice versa..

Saving the world didn't pay well .. so got into Microbiological Corrision . big problem in the Oil and Gas industry .. and that payed much better. them bugs would create a battery to cause corrosion .. Derick Lovely if memory serves .. the papers should be available for free online .. take a glass of water . put in nutrients .. sit in sunlight .. biofilm will form .. if you put wire in top ... and in bottom .. can get 1 volt bioelectricity .. perhaps the first brain wave was as such .. then the thing started to create these cells around it . fatty cells for protection or some other function .. then one day these other cells started to have different functions of their own .. work together or in some symbiotic relationship .



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Why do you keep thinking that humans are vegetation? Of course, humans are animals. In fact, humans are the most vicious of all animals on the planet.

 

Amen!

Evolution works by random variations that survive or get expunged by natural selection. I'm sure that has been presented in your education.

Yes, RNA was a huge step.

The laws of thermodynamics are not being broken. We are not a closed system. The primary example is that we receive major amounts of solar energy.

Yes, science knows a lot about how to apply quantum field theory. But, science does not have an explanation for it. Not knowing is one thing. Attributing what we don't know to a divinity is something very different - more like the dark ages. Let's recognize that there is work to be done in quantum field theory, because scientists don't know it all.

Yes, what biologists do today in a lab setting is truly astounding, but I'm sure you agree that isn't evolution.

I don't see evidence that nature requires a constant supernatural helping hand. We see genetic change. We see new species arriving, even as we watch in lab environments. What we see happen confirms evolution - there isn't evidence of those cases requiring a constant helping hand, tweaking the genetics of Earthly life forms all across Earth, even in bio labs.

 

If we are animals, why call us humans and hold us to godlike standards.

 

Interesting. Ddin't understand a lot of it but I guess my son would. He has a MA from Oxford in BioChemistry.

Personally I firmly believe that over 4 billion years things have occured that we only have the results of - not the mechanism.

 

My apologies .. for sure was my failing as a teacher rather than the failure of the reader.... The summary is that these bacteria who are all individuals .. acting autonomously .. going about their business unconnected to the others in a direct way - act together as a whole .. as if they were a connected organism. That organism is the community .. which can generates electric current within itself .. like a brain .. this brain directs certain "directed actions" like a primative brain.

the other point was about the ghost in the machine .. some force is directing the matter to assemble itself in ways that defy entropy .. defy randomness .. how/ what to label this force .. I don't know .. but, we do not need to claim this some big all powerful God in action.... we could however more feasibly claim that this is a lesser God in action - one not anthropomorphic in nature .. (not in the image of Man .. with strikingly human characteristics) "Anthropos" Greek for Human which you probably knew.

 

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Revelation 3:20-22

I came to this scripture after the fact. But I can tell you this day that what the Apostle John wrote two thousand years ago, is true. I am his witness, and he is mine.

 

OMG - you have the minions of Mitt at your back .. urging you along ... this should be enough for you to realize you are on the path of the decepticon.

Your post does not address what was said to you .... instead you deflect my mumbling completely unrelated nonsense from Revelations .. claiming John is your witness .. which is completely false nonsense .. as John does not back up your assertions .. nor have your back but, if you have God at your beckon call as you claim .. as do the fundamentalist "speaking in tongues" extremist delusional heretics - then I have a few questions for you to put to the almighty..

Would that be OK Injuen ? .. got a few "Tough Questions" for God .. now that I have found an intermediary .. a Logos #2 ..

OH and Todd .. feel free to join in directly since you also claim to have God on Speed-Dial Logos #3

Brother Todd -- fellow who wishes to supplant the words of Jesus with man made dogma from Idol Martin .. fellow who runs from the words and teachings of Jesus rather than follow... who are you to call out others for not being a Christian - Follower of Christ .. Pot calling kettle black .. log out of own eye perhaps.

but since you have a direct conduit to God .. how about helping out with a few tough questions .. and maybe we will then all follow your teachings ..