Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

No. By reading your literature. Your beliefs are just one among many and actually contradict the Bible in several ways. Simply another religion like the JW's who also claim they are right. Come to think of it, which religion doesn't make that claim.

 

Yes, there is a benchmark problem.

If there WERE a benchmark, we would have less than many thousands of active religious variations.

Unfortunately, there is no possibility of falsification of ANY of them. We don't even have a benchmark from where to start.

And, I seen nothing to indicate that any religion would want that.

 

The way I would grade the fairytales is:
1. The Bible = A. The writers did an excellent job of linking all of the stories in the Old and New Testaments to one or more of the real Ten Commandments (Exodus 34:11-26).

2. The Koran = D+. It is less racist than the other fairytales.

3. The Book of Mormon = F. Totally made up by a conman so that he could screw all of the women.

4. The Jewish Babylonian Talmud = a double FF. Total garbage.

 

That phrase, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", is just wrong.

Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence...it just isn't PROOF of absence.

If I claim I have a dragon chained up in my backyard....and you go to my backyard and don't see a dragon that sure as heck is evidence that the dragon is not there. It's not PROOF that the dragon is not there because I can turn around and say, "Well he's invisible" or "Well he's microscopic" or "Well he's only visible to people who believe in dragons" and that that is exactly what theists do. Every time an atheist points out the lack of evidence for the existence of their god they just turn around and add some other qualifier as to why that absence of evidence doesn't prove that their god doesn't exist.

Absence of evidence is absolutely evidence of absence, otherwise you can claim anything you want and then claim, you can't disprove it therefore it is real. I may not be able to disprove your god but the sum of the lack of evidence for his existence sure as heck means that it is highly unlikely.

 

PRIDE = The omnipotent creator of the universe has a personal interest in me.
HATE = Anyone who does not believe in my God will suffer eternal torment...and I'm perfectly OK with that.
UNFORGIVENESS = See above
AVOIDING THE TRUTH = There is no evidence for the existence of a god, but I'll just avoid that truth.

 

Speaking about contradictions, your religion the atheist no god religion is by far the most contradictory religion that contradicts the Bible.

The Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The religion of atheism says nothing created the heavens and the earth, everything just appeared one day, "poof!" and there came everything.

Essentially the religion of atheism is a belief that states everything in existence just created itself, which is an illogical, absurd, non-sensical statement.

Because it should be so obvious that nothing can cause itself to come into existence...oh but not to those atheists.

Anything that causes itself to come into existence has to exist before it exists. This is impossible. Perhaps something can come into existence from nothing without any cause whatsoever. Can a thing just pop into existence with absolutely no cause? This also is not reasonable.

That's why it is so foolish to believe in the atheist no god religion. Our Creator Almighty God who is Eternal, meaning He has no beginning, He has no end, He simply exists, told us only fools say in their hearts there is no God.

We Read in Scripture:

1 Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good! Psalm 53:1 NLT

The Bible says Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead.
The atheists say Jesus Christ never existed let alone resurrected from the dead.

The Bible says Abraham was the Father of all who believe, all who have faith in God.
Atheists say Abraham never existed.

Christians say the Bible is the Word of God.
Atheists say the Bible is a made-up fairytale designed to control people.

So basically, the atheists contradict the whole entire Bible.

All religions make the claim, which of course includes your atheist no god religion trev.

We can't all be right and so only one religion is right, only one religion has the truth.

I believe for I have unwavering, unquestioning faith/trust and love for the Creator Almighty God that the Christian religion is the right religion, for it has the truth and you trev believe your no god atheist religion is right and has the truth.

And then there are the thousands upon thousands of other religions who believe they are right in their respective religions.

There will come a day for all of us to find out who is right. Yes, it's the eventual day when our physical bodies die.

If say for argument's sake the atheist no god religion is right, then none of us will be aware that the atheist religion was right all along because when we die, we will have no awareness, no consciousness, no thoughts to be able to know they were right all along, we will all be as dead as a lifeless doorknob for there is no after-life.

But on the other hand, if the Christian religion is right, then we will know what happens to all the saved Christians who had faith/trust and love of the Creator Almighty God and to all others who are non-Christians.

The saved Christians will spend eternity in Paradise, in God's Kingdom of Heaven with the Lord living happily ever after for all eternity. A place where there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain, all these things are gone forever.

We Read in Scripture:

4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT

All others will find themselves separated from God after His Judgment of them for all eternity in hell for punishment of the sins they committed while living their earthly lives.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

The Narrow Door

22 Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he went, always pressing on toward Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?”

He replied, 24 “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. 25 When the master of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. You will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Lord, open the door for us!’ But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ 26 Then you will say, ‘But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 And he will reply, ‘I tell you, I don’t know you or where you come from. Get away from me, all you who do evil.’

28 “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out. 29 And people will come from all over the world—from east and west, north and south—to take their places in the Kingdom of God. 30 And note this: Some who seem least important now will be the greatest then, and some who are the greatest now will be least important then.” Luke 13:22-30 NLT

All I can say to the others is that eternity is such an awful long time to be wrong in your belief system.

Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

Another load of tripe. Why go all through that for nothing. The Bible contradicts itself. Atheists don't contradict the Bible. They just don't believe it. How do you contradict something you don't believe in? What we do do is point out contradictions contained in the Bible.
Your favourite website has just made a fool of itself. I described the Hydrological system as described in the Bible, mainly Job, and they've just told me it is nonsense. At least Creation Ministeries agrees with me. I've asked GotQuestions about their 'evidence' of the supposed Exodus which included the stupid statement that the Israelites built pyramids out of mud and clay. Pyramids were made of stone - big, big, big stones weighing 20 tons to 100 tons. They are simply fiddling with known and unknown facts. I wait their reply.
With a bit of luck I will get one. Which is more than I get from you.

 

Atheists do not contradict the Bible, REALITY contradicts the Bible. Atheists simply put more trust in reality than in the Bible.

 

Essentially the religion of atheism is a belief that states everything in existence just created itself, which is an illogical, absurd, non-sensical statement.

Because it should be so obvious that nothing can cause itself to come into existence...oh but not to those atheists.

Anything that causes itself to come into existence has to exist before it exists. This is impossible. Perhaps something can come into existence from nothing without any cause whatsoever. Can a thing just pop into existence with absolutely no cause? This also is not reasonable.

No it doesn't. There are several theories but it is believed something caused the big Bang.
I believe the bold above was said by a believer.

And what is 'nothing' Mitt. 500 years ago you could hold out your cupped hands and there was nothing in them. Today we know there really was something in them. Air, molecules, bacteria. Until fairly recently we thought there was nothing between us and the other planets and Galaxies. Now we know there is. That's what science is about. I guess you didn't read the article I posted a few days ago. No-one can tell us what nothing is. Out in the nothingness of space we will find plenty. There are things, particles we cannot see that travel at tremendous speeds. Things that are just a flicker on a screen. Man is still a child in the realms of science.
The inevitable question is who made god.

Essentially the religion of atheism is a belief that states everything in existence just created itself, which is an illogical, absurd, non-sensical statement.

No it doesnt. That's just your thinking. Look above.

 

The Bible says that the world was created just for the Jews. Why don't you believe that?

 

Mitt's quote.
All I can say to the others is that eternity is such an awful long time to be wrong in your belief system. And if you are wrong you've just wasted your life telling untruths.

 

Where did God come from?

 

Conmen in all societies created gods to gain power over their more superstitious buddies. It is basic human nature.

 

I’m just trying to understand why it’s wrong of me to think of the universe as having no beginning but ok for him to think if god as having no beginning. Or why it’s wrong to think if universe as having no creator but it’s ok to think of god as having no creator.

Is it because I am Dirty Rotten Imbecile?

 

Then you'd best get right with Odin quickly.

So, what makes your deity more special than the thousands of other deities out there? And please, something more than "because my deity says so!". All the deities say that.

Atheists are smarter in that respect. Gods tend to hate believers in other gods more than they hate non-believers, so non-belief in all deities is the safest option.

 

Religion aside, it seems heathenistic, supremely vain, and counter intuitive to contemplate that we live and die, and that that is the end. To be accountable to a supreme being, lends itself to civility and peaceableness more so than to brutality. That there are those who see the peaceable as easily conquered is not a reflection on God or those who revere God. But rather an expose on the hearts and souls of those who perpetrate evil upon them. The concept that we all spring from one God is the source of American liberty, our rights in liberty, and the equal distribution of those rights among Americans. So the concept of God in American liberty and independence isn't to subject us, but to free us from subjection, and set the table of life before us for the application of our hopes and desires.

 

Sounds like a foregone conclusion to me. You haven't read the Book of Mormon.

 

To be accountable to a supreme being lends itself to brutality. The whole of human history is one group of people displaying brutality to other human beings "in the name of god"
To believe that you have orders from god is to mean you are beyond discussion, beyond negotiation, beyond reason. God said, you believe it and that settles it. If God has told you to massacre the Amalekites then the Amalekites must be killed to the last man, woman and child.

 

Amen brother! Preach!

 

Another admission of failure to understand normal things by GotQuestions.
In reply to my explanation of how Hydrology works I was told it was rubbish. When I said it was according to the Bible, someone else there replied that they were not experts on Hydrology. So how can they claim the Biblical Noah's flood happened. I was directed to another Christian website who actually did understand Hydrology and they agreed with my description. The only problem was that they then condensed at least 50 million+ geological years into a few thousand to make Noahs flood viable.

I'm waiting for an answer to another question about the Exodus. They say it happened and then say it could have happened any unknown time within a period of several hundred years. Unfortunately that throws out the timeline and history of the Bible.

We'll see what they have to say.

Rather like Mitt I have still to recieve and answer from several years ago when I pointed out a problem with their Nativity explanation.

Such is life.

 

Great words except for the fact that we all live and we all die. That's a fact. The rest is people's refusal to accept the reality and create an imaginery afterlife in various 'heavens'.

The concept of God? How many concepts of God are there in the world? And everyone claims to have the right 'concept'.

While the US Constitution did not mention colour, slavery, inferior 'people', it didn't stop it. It made it illegal, but that did not stop slavery etc. That only came when times changed. 'Inferiority' is still rife in parts of the US today, and who are considered 'inferior' ? The 'concept' of God still allows many nations to subject people to obscene oppression.

It wasn't God who inspired science and scientists in many spheres. It was man's thirst for knowledge. These men may have been Christians but without their beliefs they would have extended our knowledge. Had the ancient Egyptians, and to some extent the Greeks, had the instruments and ability to gain knowledge through Labs. etc. humanity would have been farther forward in these things long ago. It has been religion that has often held up back.

 

Yes .... but speaking of contradictions and the "atheist no God religion" is the religion of Brother Mitt . .. unable to identify God - that which he says is the One True God.

Isn't that right Brother Mitt .. show that you are not of the "No God" religion .. and tell is the identity of the God of your religious belief system ... as if you can't , then your religion is the "No God Religion"

What a wicked circular cage you have found yourself in this time Brother Mitt -- thats what you get for following those deceivers on that GotNoAnswers site you favor .. then you go around promoting that rubbish to others. .. such as adherent Brother T. God has a special place for those who lead the children astray ... I will wave as I pass by though .. .... on way to pearly gates. Told you not to take that wrong turn Mitt .. thinking was a free pass around Judgement .. told you that you had to go through "Judgement" to get through .. but you chose a different path .. and look where you end up ....

That last one is me waving

 

Utterly self serving, backwards nonsense. The Amalekites were dedicated to the annihilation of the Jews, in which there was no room for discussion, negotiation, or reasoning with the Amalekites. It was their entire motivation in life. So Gods Prophet told Saul, the King of the Jews, to wipe them out, even their children and livestock. And it was done because it was necessary and appropriate. So whether God commands mercy as in his following gospel, or merciless as in his former law, they are the parameters of judgment and grace which is his place alone to say. And a lesson to mankind that he is God.

 

Killing children is NEVER “appropriate”

 

A better question would be, "Why is the Bible called the Holy Bible?" So let me do this first answer this question then at the end answer your question. It is of higher significance than learning when the Bible got the adjective holy added to its title.

So, the word holy has several meanings, and they all describe the Word of God.

"Sacred, hallowed, sanctified" is one meaning. God is sacred, so the words He speaks are also sacred. So, all the words God has given to us, all His revelations to mankind in the Bible are holy and sacred. Since God is perfect, then so are His words perfect.

We Read in Scripture:

7 The law of the Lord is perfect,[a]
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple; Psalm 19:7 ESV

Footnotes
a. Psalm 19:7 Or blameless

And because God is righteous and pure, so is His Word righteous and pure.

We Read in Scripture:

8 the precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure,
enlightening the eyes; Psalm 19:8 ESV

The Bible is also holy because it was written by men (chosen by God) under the Holy Spirit's direction and influence.

We Read in Scripture:

16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV

Footnotes
b. 2 Timothy 3:17 That is, a messenger of God (the phrase echoes a common Old Testament expression)

So, our Holy God, in the person of the Holy Spirit, literally breathed the holy words of Scripture into the writers of each of the books through supernatural means. The divine Writer is holy; therefore, what He writes is holy.

And to be "set apart" is another meaning of holy. God set the nation of Israel apart from her contemporaries to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.

We Read in Scripture:

6 And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’ This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.” Exodus 19:6 NLT

And comparably, we Christians are set apart from unbelievers who walk in darkness.

We Read in Scripture:

9 But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests,[a] a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9 NLT

Footnotes
a. 2:9 Greek a royal priesthood.

This "set apart" aspect of holiness is true of the Bible because it is a book set apart from all others. It is the only book written by Our Creator Almighty God Himself, and the only book that has the power to set us free.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

Jesus and Abraham

31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

33 “But we are descendants of Abraham,” they said. “We have never been slaves to anyone. What do you mean, ‘You will be set free’?”

34 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave of sin. 35 A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free. John 8:31-36 NLT

The only book to change our lives and make us wise.

We Read in Scripture:

7 The law of the Lord is perfect,[a]
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple; Psalm 19:7 ESV

Footnotes
a. Psalm 19:7 Or blameless

The only book to sanctify us and make us holy.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

17 Make them holy by your truth; teach them your word, which is truth. John 17:17 NLT

The only book that gives life, comfort, and hope.

We Read in Scripture:

50 Your promise revives me;
it comforts me in all my troubles. Psalm 119:50 NLT

The only book that will sustain until the end of time.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. Matthew 5:18 NLT

But anyway, to now answer your question Gawd, the phrase holy books (biblia sacra) is believed to have first appeared sometime in the Middle Ages.

Ok thanks Gawd for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.