Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong, British Israelitism and anti-Semitism?

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Does warfare between the northern kingdom of Israel vs Levi and Judah explain much of history?

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  1. DennisTate

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    I admit that I am biased....
    but I was brought out of Atheism in the early 1970's by Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong and I have believed in what is termed "British Israelitism" since I was a teenager but......
    ..... I personally do not think that the theory that America and Britain are partly the descendants of Ephrayim and Manasseh and the other ten lost tribes of Israel, was intended to be anti-Semitic........
    .... some people understood the idea in that way but.....
    I personally always understood that the time was coming when essentially the whole world would begin to actually keep the Jewish Sabbaths and Holy Days and eat more and more kosher!

    When I was a teenager and I would read through Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight I always understood that the Levitical rituals that would be observed in the millennial Ezekiel Temple Complex would be carried out by Jews.....
    ... because I knew that I knew that I knew THAT I CERTAINLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE SPECIFICS of each sentence and each chapter from Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight!

    I personally am glad that I am a former member of the Worldwide Church of God....
    because they set me up so that once I began to read near death experience accounts and realized that we were terribly in error on the state of the dead.....
    .. .then I was set up in such a way that I could listen to near death experiencer and former Atheist and now Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Alon Anava......
    ... and I am hearing somebody who I personally believe is more like the historical John the Baptist and / or the historical Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus than any Christian scholar or Theologian on earth at this time.

    Being taught by Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong set me up to be able to handle the astonishingly insightful and I believe accurate writings of Orthodox Jewish historian and scholar Mr. Yair Davidiy.

    Due to what I was taught as a teenager I immediately saw Mr. Yair Davidiy's writings as probably being by far the best available explanation for hidden meaning in Isaiah chapters forty two to forty six.

    I am of the belief that more and more and more and more nations will soon begin to at minimum allow Jews and Noahides living in their nations to freely travel to Jerusalem to observe the Festival of Tabernacles also known as Sukkot!

    Strangely enough.... there are many Messianic Jewish congregations who would not want me to attend due to the fact that I personally accept what is also termed The Two House Theory!
     
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    Orthodox Jewish scholar Mr. Yair Davidiy, in my opinion, is a better historian than Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong was and I believe that he has done a better job of explaining these ideas at this time....
    partly due to the fact that he is Orthodox Jewish and knows certain important details that Mr. Armstrong did not understand.

    For example.. this article on a soon to be raised up anointed "king" who will build at minimum one Jewish Temple....
    for Levites and Orthodox Jews to do their rituals in.....
    sure seems to explain Isaiah chapters forty two to forty six.

    Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong did NOT really understand about a soon coming political merely human Cyrus type of political leader who would alter the course of history in favour of the Jewish people... .and yes.... in favour of the nation of Israel.

    https://britam.org/messiah.html

    .....
    In my opinion.....
    from what I have been able to dig up since parting ways from the Worldwide Church of God in 1991.... there will soon rise up a "Christian Political Cyrus" who will probably build the Jewish people the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex...... that will lead to the fulfillment of the literal as well as the metaphorical meaning in Ezekiel chapter forty seven.....
    which will transform the Middle East political formula and alter the spiritual atmosphere of the entire earth.

    I personally see no reason why whoever is this Moshiach ben Ephrayim - Cyrus person could not build the Jewish people at least two temples..... especially considering the evidence that there are TWO Ark's of the Covenant! My opinion at this time is that building the Ezekiel Temple Complex first is the key..... partly due to the fact that the real estate on which the Ezekiel Temple must be built is actually a number of kilometres away from the Temple Mount and the important Gihon Spring which is likely where the Temple of Solomon once was.

    As you can see from this article.....
    Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong does not fully understand what Mr.Yair Davidiy understands about the need for a modern Cyrus type of political leader.


    https://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgi?action=getspectopics&InfoID=1471434338

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    I am glad to know that Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong's original books are available online because, in my opinion, they are well worth reading.

    The United States and Britain in Prophecy
    BY HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG
    COPYRIGHT © 1967, 1972, 1975, 1980, 2003, 2007, 2009, 2022 PHILADELPHIA CHURCH OF GOD
    People of the Western world would be stunned—dumbfounded—if they knew! The governments of the United States, Britain, Canada, Australasia, South Africa would set in motion gigantic crash programs—if they knew! They could know! But they don’t! Why?





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    In the year 2010 though I came across an article by a man from Uganda who had at least two near death experiences during bouts of malaria and I believe that his short article on a modern Christian Political Cyrus fits perfectly with what Orthodox Jewish scholar Mr. Yair Davidiy explains about that Moshiach ben Ephrayim who will build the Jewish people a minimum of one temple, [but I suspect at least two]



    I go further into what I have been able to dig up related to all of this in this other discussion:

    The Christian Political Cyrus / The Audition and President Donald J. Trump.


    Here is the book that I believe should be read by anybody who believes that Isaiah chapters forty two to forty eight must come to pass.... before Zechariah chapter fourteen can happen!

    https://yehezkeel-narod-ru.translat..._sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp


     
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    Did Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong quote the Apostle Paul a lot?

    Obviously .... YES!

    Did the Apostle Paul on a few occasions allow his only too human disappointment with his fellow Pharisees to come through in his writings.....
    in such a way that might set up some influential thinkers, speakers and writers....... .for example..... Protestant Reformer Martin Luther, to have some anti-Semitic ideas?

    Yes..... in my opinion it seems obvious that the Apostle Paul did not write with the same level of wisdom with which Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus spoke.....
    so that His disciples could write Matthew chapters four, five, six and seven.... The Sermon on the Mount...... not to mention John chapters thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen and seventeen!


    But.... to Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong's credit he had some of the most amazing teachings on Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven that I have ever heard from anybody.....
    Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong .... set me up so that I would tend toward Eventual Universal Salvation.......
    for all Jews... but all Gentiles as well.

    It took me many years but I strongly suspect that the near death experiencer... or out of the body experience.....
    that the Apostle Paul reported in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4....... introduces ideas that Paul at the time that he wrote Second Corinthians could not deal with in writing BUT......
    by the time that he wrote the Book of Romans... .finally he felt that it was time for him to address ideas that a number of years or decades previously......
    he thought of as being Unlawful to be Uttered!

    "2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

    3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

    4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." [2 Corinthians 12"2-4]

    My guess... would be that this might have been a near death experience... and perhaps this occurred at the time that he had been stoned and appeared to be dead at Lystra???

    "Then some Jews came from Antioch and Iconium and won the crowd over. They stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, thinking he was dead. But after the disciples had gathered around him, he got up and went back into the city." [Acts 14:19]

    Many near death experiencers take a decade or even more before they process what they were shown during their brush with death sufficiently for them to
    write it down. Often they are scared to give people the wrong impression...... especially when it comes to certain topics.

    Romans chapter eleven....
    Israel’s Rejection Not Final
    11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

    13For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15For if their being cast away isthe reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance bebut life from the dead?

    16For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

    19You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches,be grafted into their own olive tree?

    25For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

    “The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
    And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

    27For this is My covenant with them,
    When I take away their sins.”

    28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

    33Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
    34“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
    Or who has become His counselor?”
    35“Or who has first given to Him
    And it shall be repaid to him?”
    36For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen." [Romans 11: 11-36]

    If it were not for Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong I would not have been able to handle much of the astonishing ideas that I have found in the teachings as well as in the near death experience of former Atheist and now Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Alon Anava. In my opinion..... Rabbi Alon Anava's near death experience itself reminds me of Matthew chapter four and his down to earth teachings on basic Judaism remind me of Matthew chapters five, six and seven, The Sermon on the Mount.

    In my opinion... near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava is more like the historical John the Baptist and the historical Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus than any Christian thinker and teacher that I have heard for a number of reasons. Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong prepared me to be able to hear as Ezekiel chapter thirty seven is now beginning to be fulfilled in our time period.


    Ezekiel chapter thirty seven.... "
    16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

    17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

    18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

    19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

    20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

    21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

    22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

    23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

    24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

    25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

    26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

    27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore." [Ezekiel 37: 16 - 28]

    https://www.alonanava.com





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    In spite of all of their many, many, many, many, many..... many flaws......
    Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Evangelist and Messianic Jewish Comedian Garner Ted Armstrong....
    prepared me to be able to accept the rather challenging statement in this article on "The Personality of Moshiach."


    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm


    Personally.... I love how a near death experiencer explained Eventual Universal Salvation... .which to my thinking..... fits amazingly well with Applied Multiverse Theory..... which Stan Lee has done an admirable job of explaining to the masses at this time in history!


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html


    Did you know that Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong met Bibi on a number of occasions during the 1970's? This is a long time before he decided to get involved in politics!

    I am not certain why this article comes up when I did a search for Garner Ted Armstrong meeting Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu.....
    but there may be some logic in that that may become apparent later on. This was obviously written during the 1990's.

    https://www.garnertedarmstrong.org/the-great-tribulation-is-it-about-to-happen/

     
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    Personally.... I believe that the full truth about how the northern kingdom of Israel may well still exist on this earth....
    and could well be largely fulfilled in The United States and the British Commonwealth of nations is critical to understanding
    what i believe is the next most important event in world history......
    the construction of the Ezekiel Temple Complex and / or the Jerusalem Third Temple.....
    by somebody...... according to ancient Jewish prophecies... .who will be descended from Joshua son of Nun who assisted Moses....
    and from King Jereboam but.... this person who will construct at least one if not two Jewish temples for the Jewish people.....
    will repent of the error of King Jereboam and will assist in getting out the truth of how YHWH truly has kept all of His promises....
    to all twelve tribes......
    and can be relied on to keep every one of His promises to all nations!

    I believe that it is important to understand that the Temple Mount is very UNLIKELY to have been the place of the Temple of King Solomon....
    one of Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong's students did a good job of actually listening to an Israeli Jewish



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_L._Martin


    This is a critical concept because the Gihon Spring is some distance away from the Temple Mount and thus a Jerusalem Third Temple centred on the Gihon Spring.....
    could be built with much less controversy than one on the Temple Mount itself!


    Mr. Yair Davidiy does a good job of explaining how this all relates to whether or not Britain and America could well be descended significantly from the lost tribes of Israel.

    https://britam.org/messiah.html

     
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    My goal in beginning this discussion is not merely to accuse my mentor Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong of
    being guilty to some degree of what some Jewish people may term "anti-Semitism" by their definition of that word.......
    ... [ and we are all biased to some degree so their own personal definition of what they think of as anti-Semitism could be seriously flawed].......

    .... but... I have something larger in mind.....
    I have been studying near death experience accounts rather obsessively since 1990 and I believe that the very root and core of anti-Semitism has been
    addressed by that Being of Light of near death experience fame......

    ... as that Being or Beings has met with Jews during a near death experience.....
    or with Muslims during a near death experience....

    or with Christians during a near death experience.....


    or with Hindus or Atheists or Buddhits during their near death experiences!!!!!!


    This will give you an idea of what could potentially be at stake here......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...om-in-the-middle-east.614114/#post-1074478859

    The Tate Plan for Shalom in the Middle East!


     
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    Do you get the impression from our first correspondence that Sanhedrin Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander got the impression that I was anti-Semitic in my thinking?

    For the record I asked Rabbi Hollander's permission to share this message with people who I believed would assist me to at least make a good try to build the Jewish people at least one temple, he said yes.

    Now that I know that the Ezekiel Temple Complex must come before the Gihon Spring Temple..... this idea needs to be spread to many people quickly because many lives are at stake.


    .... Rabbi Hollander replied in about twenty four hours:

    MY IDEA IS EXTREMELY SIMPLE..... BY VIEWING THE NATION OF ISRAEL AS ONE MASSIVE REALITY FILM AND / OR SEMI- REALITY SCIENCE FICTION FILM SERIES KIBBUTZ OR COOPERATIVE OR GROUP OF COMPANIES......
    AND BY VIEWING THE EZEKIEL TEMPLE COMPLEX AS A "STAGE" OF SORTS.....
    WE CAN BOOST THE ISRAELI FILM INDUSTRY.....
    AND MAKE IT ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD.....
    POTENTIALLY DWARFING EVEN HOLLYWOOD FOR INFLUENCE OVER THE CULTURE OF THIS THIRD ROCK!!!!!!!
     
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    AND NOW THE PLOT THICKENS.......

    ....

    I personally am striving to metaphorical kill the old man... Dennis Tate...... and set in motion a new man Dennis Tate who is truly led and guided and burned up, [metaphoricall speaking] by the Holy Spirit.... The Ruach ha Kodesh..... of Judaism...........


    but...... I believe in the prediction by the gifted Mr. Mark Taylor regarding the next ten years for America..... and Israel......
    .......

    The Palestinians are being PLAYED BY BRILLIANT RUSSIAN ATHEISTS WHO ARE STILL FOLLOWING SOMETHING THAT WAS SET IN MOTION BY PRESIDENT YURY ANDROPOV BACK IN THE 1970'S!!!!!!!
    ....
    ....

    ..... "According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov … [said], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon … against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.” [Russia and its influence on Middle East Terrorism]...
    ....

    ....
    Mr. Mark Taylor :
    ....
    ....

    A TRUE MUSLIM.....
    who actually wants to obey the Koran.....

    will soon realize that obeying Atheists in Russia or Romania might not be the best way to understand their own Islamic scriptures???????

    ....
    ....

     

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