Paul Hellyer Earthshaking Confession 'Four Alien Races are Here on Earth'

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This man used to be the Defense minister of Canada. Very very interesting to listen to him talk. Try it and tell me if you have had UFO experience at all. Please, just the truth and be specific. Did you think you saw one in the air? Do you say you saw them and if so, where?

     
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    No experience with UFOs at all.

    People say a lot of things. There is no good reason to believe this man's claims whatsoever.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a former minister of defense, you think he lied?
     
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    I saw several when I was a kid. When I was out walking, they often landed right next to me in a field in Jamesport, NY. Then I walked into them.

    Eventually they stopped coming and we, me and my family, later moved from there so I haven't seen one since. Also the field is gone now so it's unlikely the aliens will appear there again. Too public now.
     
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    I don't think the former Canadian defense guy is lying. I think he's telling us the truth.
     
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    Yes, he may be stretching the truth, absolutely. Or he is delusional, or he has false memories, or he hallucinated. All are far simpler explanations for his outrageous, extraordinary claims, made without a shred of evidence, than the explanation that the claims are true.
     
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    Capable of interstellar travel, yet unable to detect a human nearby. Curious.
     
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    My neighborhood has been completely taken over...

    ... by illegal aliens.
     
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    Actually they didn't want their privacy, they wanted me. That's why I added "alien abductee" in my profile.

    Actually they did want their privacy because the field was secluded and I was the only one around.
     
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    I find such extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence exceedingly hard to believe.
     
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    Okay, well, I didn't see any of the aliens of public folklore-Grays, Nordics, or Reptilians- either so maybe the UFO buffs won't believe me either.

    I did have some evidence once- an alien puzzle box, a childhood photo from one of the aliens, and a biosuit, in case I wanted to come back to their place- but they didn't last their existence to today, as lost and destroyed as my other childhood toys.
     
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    What claims did he make that shook you up this much?
     
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    Settle down, son. No need to get all excitable over a few even-handed, reasonable comments.

    I, as I think you could probably puzzle out for yourself, am referring to his extraordinary claims about aliens, their actions, their nature, and their origins.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    August and I am 80. By golly I feel great being called SON. Maybe my elders are now living or you are knocking on the door of 100. Nobody has called me son since around 1950. Thanks a lot.
     
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    Welcome :)
     
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    How easy and convenient it is to sweep everything under the rug, as if Pilots' reports of blatant UFO encounters are meaningless. Let's apply your method of blanket skepticism to known reality: I don't have a shred of reliable evidence that you really exist.
     
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    Just one problem with your characterization, that borders on a fallacy called "appeal to emotion":

    Nobody did that. I said such extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence are often more easily explained in other ways, and I even listed some of those other ways, in this specific case. This presents an open challenge to those making the claims to present their evidence. And if they have none...well, that is kind of their problem, isn't it?
    Sorry, not an apt comparison, and you seem to have misunderstood my comments. Claiming i exist is not an extraordinary claim, by any means. Sure, you are free to dismiss it on the "lack of evidence" (which might cause others to question your sanity, after having had a conversation with me). But again, I could meet your challenge to produce such evidence. You know that I could. Can you say the same for the goofy alien guy?

    Haha...not unless you're willing to lie, you couldn't.
     
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    The alien/ufo issue is a big one. You have conveniently minimized it. You act as if the former defense minister of Canada is an isolated oddball. I suppose "nonterestrial officers on military pay" arouses no particular suspicion in you.
     
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    Wrong.Those who make extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence have minimized themselves. They are the ones who put themselves on a shelf with people who claim their houseplants talk, people who claim to have ESP, etc
    Wrong again. I specifically offered several more simple explanations for his extraordinary claims, which are especially relevant, given that he has not a single shred of evidence. My comments had nothing to do with anything personal regarding him whatsoever. Stop trying to provide cover for him and for anyone else making extraordinary claims without evidence by characterizing me. If I had never been born, they would still be making extraordinary claims without a shred of evidence, so complain to them the next time you feel like complaining that their claims are not seriously considered or accepted on the basis of their own insistence.
    Correct, it does not. The same would go for a botanist claiming he had a conversation with a dandelion. I don't give a **** if he is a botanist or a lion tamer...that is an extraordinary claim that doesn't just require a bit of evidence, but rather an extraordinary amount of evidence, before it should even be considered.
     
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    There was a UFO incident over Washington DC back around 1950 where our jets were scrambled to intercept incoming UFOs seen on radar. The jets couldn't catch them. The UFOs came back after the jets landed, and raced away out of sight again upon being chased.
     
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    You're about to enter a dimension beyond sight and sound....
     
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    Think about it, why would such a high ranking government official such as the Defense minister of Canada be speaking about things he probably took an oath to keep secret. And why would he be speaking to such a tiny room of people?

    Paul Hellyer's main points at the end this video are that we only have a short time remaining to save planet earth from destruction due to climate change, nuclear bombs, overpopulation, environmental pollution and other environmental devastation. HOWEVER, the aliens are here to help us! Hmmmm, how convenient.

    Now think of the timing of this in relation to progress made by the most powerful nations in establishing a New World Order and what the few obstacles are that still need to be overcome. Obstacles such as nuclear threats and resistance by nations or massive religious groups that would oppose the creation of a NWO.

    So the "helpful aliens" have arrived here at just the right time that conveniently coincides with completion of the NWO. What are the chances of any alien civilization traveling across the universe to reach planet earth? What are the chances of that happening at this precise moment of time?

    Keep in mind that the plan for NWO also includes a dramatic decrease in population. Also keep in mind that environmental issues are being used to control the masses and to forward the NWO plan. The NWO is about establishing one world government and one world religion.

    Ok, with all the above in mind, Paul Hellyer is probably working towards the goal of establishing a NWO. What better tool would there be than an alien race here on earth to change our way of thinking, to collapse all religions, and solve all our problems by uniting all countries to one common goal.

    If any "aliens" suddenly appear with offers to help us to unite all nations, the chances are, they didn't come from outer space, but instead, were created in a secret laboratory right here on earth by use of DNA & cloning technology.

    --pete--
     
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    Your thread title makes some very specific and detailed claims but the random points in the video suggest he’s talking much more generically and I’m not spending 40 minutes on something so speculative. If you wish to make specific claims, I think you have aa responsibility to present specific evidence. At the very least give a timestamp in the video for those claims and preferably present more than simply one man talking about it (however significant his past positions).

    Many times but without fail they were all subsequently identified. I have a powerful memory of a time on a scout camp where we saw a mysterious light apparently hovering in the trees. It was convincing and intriguing enough for us to investigate where we found a foil-covered mobile hanging in the trees, made by some previous campers. It had been moving in the breeze and reflecting a spotlight from one of the buildings, creating a very convincing illusion of a flying object.

    Actual UFOs are only proof of UFOs. They can’t be proof of aliens because by definition they’d have to be definitely identified as alien spacecraft for that which means they wouldn’t be UFOs any more. No reported UFO sighting has ever been subsequently identified as an extra-terrestrial spacecraft.
     
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    Hearsay by a single individual is NOT evidence!

    Lots of people have seen UFO's including myself. Given the location and the time it was most likely just a weather balloon reflecting the sun. Even the OP's video admits that 80% of all UFO sightings are natural or man made objects.

    The remaining 20% are because there was not enough information provided by notoriously unreliable eye witnesses to identify if it was a natural or man made object.

    Never seen an alien and I would doubt the veracity of anyone who claimed that they have seen one.

    So this is not science, this is pure SPECULATION based upon hearsay.
     
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    no one in canada takes anything Hellyer says seriously for decades and that he has no evidence what so ever...we also had a PM that built a ghost house for his dead mother, loons are everywhere even in government, americans should be familiar with that by now ...
     

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