Paul Valley: Turkey should be removed from NATO

I understand. Sometimes a caveat or name doesn't fit snug. Neocon certainly doesn't with Obama and Company. The term easily applies to Bush II and a bunch of presidents prior to him. Some snug as a glove and others more loosely. I think what one does with foreign policy depends a lot on what is inherited. IKE inherited Korea and quickly brought it to an end. Peace then reigned throughout the remaining years of his administration. IKE gave JFK an out in Vietnam, but stressed Laos. JFK did just the opposite and took an out in Laos but not Vietnam. On and on, but so much depends on what is inherited and what a president does with what he inherited.

Obama inheriting Iraq and Afghanistan left him with no easy decisions. It is quite different for you and I to sit here and say this should be done or that shouldn't be, but we do not have the weight of the world upon our shoulders. Our decisions or thoughts mean nothing, but a president's, his has worldwide repercussions depending on his actions or non-actions.

I think deciding who should or should not rule a country is a very dangerous game. Sometime regime change works for the better and sometimes it does not. The fact Obama performed or helped perform regime change in Libya and is trying to do so in Syria, perhaps as someone stated, the Ukraine is very surprising to me. It does not fit his character. I expected a foreign policy more akin to Jimmy Carter than the Bush's. Obama in many ways has been more like his predecessor than most of us will ever admit. That includes me.

As to foreign policy, some presidents jump right out front and try to direct, others just react. Obama in my opinion is not one to be out in front, he reacts and in some cases has to be pushed. I think he was pushed into Libya. Perhaps in Syria too in trying to take out Assad. I think Obama put his foot down in his tepid response to ISIS. But that too may have something to do with Obama's desire to rid the world and Syria of Assad. Any degrading of ISIS in return strengthens Assad since ISIS opposes Assad and wants to set up their caliphate there.

Just some of my opinions and thoughts.

 

I will.

 

Throwing out Turkey from NATO is a bad idea. I imagine the Chinese would be quick to fill the vacuum and create close ties with Turkey. Bad news for Europe on the geopolitical level.
NATO/Europe has full control over the Mediterranean. Would be unwise to jeopardize that.

 

Turkey is the Wrong Partner to Fight Terror

~by Burak Bekdil
The Gatestone Institute
November 28, 2015

http://www.meforum.org/5659/turkey-is-the-wrong-partner-to-fight-terror

From another perspective... many say that Erdogan the Turkey cannot be relied on.

 

army generals say alot, nothing to see here.

 

I take seriously honourable soldiers like Retired Adm. James A. Lyons or Mr. Guandolo — a former SWAT team leader at the FBI, counterterrorism and Muslim Brotherhood specialist and Marine platoon commander. I'm not interested in the slightest what some Hungarian guy has got to say.

I’m genuinely asking Americans to come forward and clarify whether John O. Brennan converted or not. Margot denying it means that he almost certainly converted to Wahhabi Islam.

LYONS: The Islamic cloud over Brennan and Hagel
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/19/the-islamic-cloud-over-brennan-and-hagel/

 

I dont think that it will happen, but it is an interesting idea and would be on the long run the right idea. Turkey is an IS supporter and imo large parts of the popualtion share the values of the IS, inculding Erogan e.g.

 

Turkey straddles the fence, mideast and europe. hard to say which side it will fall into

 

No, the United Kingdom should be removed from NATO in the very first place:

Further reading:

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556

 

It absolutely doesnt make sense. Since the Gulf War 2003, the only stabilizing factor were the Kurds in Northern Iraq, building up the North to relative peace and stability. Turkey supported IS in burning this prospering Kurdish area to the ground.

Although PKK terrorism has been a problem, in comparison to the IS those people are innocent like newborn babies. The only reason why Erdogan doesnt feel threatened himself by the IS is that he stands for the same kind of values and society. He tried to turn Turkey into an Islamist state on the long run, by evolution not revolution. I doubt that IS will return any favor, but Erdogan isnt the smartest guy.

 

What kind of a BS is this? Seems like you know a lot about Kurdish presence in the Northern Iraq, so please enlighten us about the "36th parallel" a little. Who forced it and why? Why prior to 36th parallel, towns like Suleimanie, Erbil, Kerkuk, and others use to have very large Turkmen majority? Why right after the US invasion of Iraq, in 2004, all the title and deed offices in Northern Iraq were burned down into ashes? Why Turkmen population's whole legal records were destroyed at the same time with Saddam's great Kurdish exile toward up North to the Turkish border? Why in the world Kurdish leaders like Barzani and Talabani were given Turkish Red (diplomatic) passports in 1990? Kurdish area my ass, LoL...

 

It's difficult to repond to chaotic drivel like that. I interpret your chaotic statements in that way that you are talking about the no flight zone or what do you mean by "who forced it"? The 36th parallel as such who forced it?

I am quite positive, you are following a typical Turkish conspiracy theory like that of Armenians killing the Turks in 1915, but can you please sort your thoughts at least within your conspiracy theories and write it down in a post? I dont know if you are reffering to annulling of the robbed land by Sunni Arabs, so you could at least specify your nonsense?

 

LOLOL.. Who is John Brennan?

 

John O Brennan .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O._Brennan

Who is claiming hat he converted to Islam or that he's Muslim Brotherhood? What a dippy accusation against and Irish Catholic.

The guy is CIA and was station chief in KSA in 1999.

 

wtf should I look through the perspective of a nation that helps ISIS?

 

Oh not again... Is there anyone who can answer the questions I asked about Kurdish presence in Northern Iraq without any demagoguery or without attempting to wander off the subject by bringing up irrelevant genocide stuff?

 

No, you should try looking through the perspective of a nation sends Black Water sort of death squads to Iraq and also helps creation of ISIS, Taliban, Al Qaeda killing millions of civilians. That suits much better to you... Perspective my ass... LoL...

 

There is no demagogue, your statement consists of chaotic drivel:

I asked you to specify e.g. your first questions of you are refferring to the no flight zone? I asked you furthermore to be concrete on the topic of deeds and titles, if you are reffering to the undoing of the robbery the Baath regime committed during the 70ies and 80ies in favor of Sunni Arabs. And you are obviously not capable to spcify your chaotic statement. Wild key words not in any context to confuse the issue that Trukey supports the IS.

"Who forced the 36th parallel mommy? Where do the babies come from mommy?" I will not answer such questions here.

 

You've got to wonder what's going on in heads of those treacherous EU elites. Those guys are definitely out of touch with ordinary Europeans. Completely out of touch. Basically instead of punishing Turkey for being totally out of order, they are appeasing Turks with billions of euros to keep refugees at home. They literally blackmailed the EU, and whimps in charge of it simply surrendered.

EU And Turkey Strike £2.1bn Migration Deal
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-turkey-strike-2-1bn-migration-deal-012454004.html#NIxgkWU

 

Like they will? Actually like they can?? It's getting scarier by the day to realise we're in the hands of such moron politicians. How the Turks must be laughing (all the way to the bank! :mrgeen: )

Check out the one I just posted in Western /Europe, SS. Shame that Americans don't seem to be very interested in us Brits, or it could be a good thread.

 

The end of the world is coming Cerberus....Scotland, pardon me, Great Britain won the Davis Cup and Tyson Fury is the heavy-weight boxing champion of the world. I'm still pinching myself. Surely, the apocalypse is coming soon...

 

Well there's lots of weird stuff going on, that's for sure. Murray was absolutely brilliant.

 

Like a clot, I had not previously been aware that there was a verbal agreement between Assad and Erdogan - who threatened to invade Turkey with NATO - if it did not allow Turkey to operate in a small corridor of Syria to defeat PKK operating mortars from there. That agreement is now down the toilet too.

Source

 

It cannot be getting scarier than this:

Further reading:

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556