Peace Talks, what is Biden waiting for... the Nov elections to finish

Either way, we should get peace in Ukraine.

The Republicans have no political capital to gain from Biden's war, and the Democrats will have nothing to lose any longer from admitting defeat or whatever going to the negotiating table ends up being.

Time is of the essence though because the ground will freeze and then heavy vehicles will be able to move and the death rate will go up like a HIMAR rocket.

 

Then if the MSM is telling the truth, the Ukraine army will cut like butter through the Russia held territory and Donbas Etc. will join NATO and the EU and live happily ever after.

And the victory the MSM has promised every week since early March will finally arrive, for the 34th week it has been promised.

 

OK I don't get your point. Are you saying that the Biden administration will initiate some sort of talks after the election?

 

Russia has been requesting peace talks for years, Ukraine and Russia were in peace talks in Turkey back in March until the US and UK said 'no'.

Boris Johnson (BoJo) of the UK went in person to the Ukraine and promised Zelensky the total support of Britain in the event he did not agree to peace.

This may seem irrational but have you noticed how much money the defense industry has made from this war? And if we win they hope to sell a whole bunch more.

 

How much have they made? If it's obvious, it should probably come with a link.

As for peace talks, why would the US hold peace talks? We aren't the ones being invaded wrongfully by Russia.

Anyway, I don't think you have much of this correct at all.

 

I get that the US opposes any sort of talks now, but are you saying that our position will switch post election? It seems to me that would be good news that they would want to announce before the election.

 

For peace, I think it will be necessary to get the Democrats voted out.

Because for the Democrats to announce agreement to peace talks would risk raising the obvious question of why they rejected peace talks in March which would have saved a lot of lives and a lot of money.

And they would have to give up their previous stance and join a minority group in the Republican Party, and I'm sure they won't want to do that.

I guess that throws doubt on my hope that the Democrats accept peace once the elections are over.

But they (we) might do that after acknowledging that continuing the pro-war stance will cost a lot more votes down the road if we lose the war.

Accepting a peace deal could be used as some kind of virtue as long as everyone forgets that it was sending huge amounts of weapons to Kyiv that started the war (poking the bear).

At present they are continuing to claim that it was sending too few weapons, as done successfully in preceding years, was the actual problem.

By 2024 the public will have lost the whole sad affair down the memory hole along with Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

 

Trumps four years in office were four years of no new US instigated wars world wide since the last Republican president. If you haven't figured out that Democrats in power means bread and butter for the US military industrial complex then you need new glasses and a hearing aid.

 

The minority group in the GOP is visible in Congressional votes such as this:

'Fifty-seven Republicans in the House and 11 in the Senate voted against the $40 billion Ukraine aid bill in May. Some vocal GOP opponents like Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Chip Roy of Texas jumped on McCarthy’s recent comments to argue that a Republican majority should scale back aid to Ukraine.

The anti-aid crowd also has influential voices like Fox’s Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump Jr. who have advocated for cutting off aid to Ukraine altogether.'

How anyone can call supplying weapons to a war zone 'aid' is a mystery to me.

But it is aid to our weapons makers who no doubt need the money.

 

War starting has been mostly bi-partisan as both parties are funded by the weapons industries. There was a big one back in the 1960s which was Vietnam started by JFK, but then both Afghanistan and Iraq were started by G W Bush - a globalist. Hillary Clinton vociferously supported Bush's wars and started two of her own, so I don't go by parties. But at present, the Democratic Party seems to go with the WEF more than the Republican party does.

 

I dunno. A big conservative victory might signal the death knell of We The People's tolerance for an interventionalist foreign policy, which might be the same signal that the global corporate overlords take to mean its time for a nuclear purge, in which case we have the perfect scenario set up in Ukraine to spark off the a global nuclear depopulation event. Here's hoping Im full of it...

 

There's no such thing as a foreign military entanglement a Democrat politician can't turn into a great retirement program.

 

Well in that case, there really is no reason for the US to ever pursue peace talks. Either there will be a nuclear war and the next election is rather academic, or Ukraine gradually loses and we just pretend it never happened.

 

The war must have looked like it was in the bag back when Biden upped shipments of weapons to Ukraine from the start of his administration.

Kyiv - consisting of central and western Ukraine - had used the munitions they received over the years to do low-intensity shelling of Donbas primarily.

The West claiming to be helping Ukraine was not possible because by arming one part it was harming another part.

 

I think Biden & co felt victory was a sure thing because NATO has 30 times the GDP of Russia.

But although the West is telling the public that the US/NATO and Kyiv have defeated Russia, eventually the truth will come out...

Biden is hoping not before the election

at the very least it will show he picked the wrong horse,

but it might also reveal how much lying to the public he has been doing

 

you may be underestimating the role of the russians in this matter.

we are perusing peace through diplomacy, or a cease fire, in moscow, in the un, and in kyiv at this very moment.

biden will not hold peace talks without inviting the ukrainians nor will biden surrender on behalf of the ukrainians (as trump surrendered to the taliban without inviting the puppet government to the table. )

 

Has it ever occured to you that simply letting Putin have his way sends a dangerous message to all expansionist authoritarian regimes?

Gonna guess probably not.