Penn Jillette on science and religion

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  1. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    I think that's a good quote. It's also probably true as demonstrated by the fact that many different scientists have come to the same conclusion, while working separately on the same thing, but religions only appear in two different places if someone takes them there from somewhere else. This is because science works.
     
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    But Penn can do actual magic, can't he?
     
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    No Penn is a God and his magic is real
     
  4. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    I read a comment last week where someone said that Teller is the real magician and Penn is his version of the blonde with big tits.
     
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    I like the quote. Is there a source for it?

    There are many different religions, but there is only one science.
     
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    Very cool quote.
     
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    Doesn't make sense to me since it seems that religion and science has always gone hand in hand? It was when man first looked outside himself and at science that he first postulated that maybe some of what he saw was due to some higher power than himself. Back to the earliest times of religious sacrifice, they were to ask or thank the gods for protection or the bounties of nature.

    Even now, when you consider the currently most acceptable theory of Big Bang to now, the odds are so much against us ever coming to be that one has to wonder if there wasn't some higher power's hand directing our rise to existence?
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Nonsense. Religion and science don't go hand in hand.

    Take the scientist Ken Miller. He's Catholic but he's the first to admit that as soon as you bring an argument for god into science you're no longer talking science since science needs logical evidence.
     
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    Yes, and it goes the other way too: as soon as you need scientific proof of God, you have no faith.
     
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    Its a good idea, but religion is basically history, while science always exists around us. Thats like saying wipe out all the oranges and youll never have an orange, but wipe out all the apples, and eventually youll get some more oranges again. Just isn't even a logical statement, because religion ISN'T a science.
     
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    He's confusing God and Religion. It's an easy mistake to make.
     
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    No, he's not.
     
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    Religion is just cultural political population control tool used by leaders to con and dupe others to behave. Religion was very effective in the past and still is used today to make people obedient, submissive and not question the authority of humans. I.e., to dumb the population down so the leaders can take advantage of them.

    All religion is forms of myth just like star wars and star trek.
    The onlything scientific with religion is you can create hypothesis and do statistical analysis to see correlations of behavior because that is all religion is just human behavior. Just as they do in animal studies.

    If anything, I am god.
     
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    He's giving religions the benefit of the doubt that they are an honest and legitimate source of inquiry--about the nature of god. This is an implied concession from his argument.

    The other alternative is the cynical view that religions are never intended to be anything but a method of control.
     
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    And the history of scientific progress has pretty much been a steady march towards a natural understanding of the world. It turns out when you actually study these supposed godly phenomena, they end up having a naturalistic cause that operates logically, according to definite rules.
     
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    You haven't been paying attention. Take that religion for example; there's Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and on and on..Science provides as many variations of belief. There's the Quantumers, the Stringers, the Hologramers. The Big Bangers, the Steady Staters, the Multi-versers, the Inter-Dimensionalists, and on and on. Science appears to be rife with as much, or even more, dogma and disagreement as religion.
     
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    I totally agree^
     
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    I am both a Christian, AND an engineer. To me, trying to put religion and science in the same category is idiotic at best. To me they are two halves of a whole universe. Intertwined, and connected, but not related.
     
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    Fact is they are witches. They do this trick with see-through cups and still make it look like magic!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrw3euF2cIg"]Penn and teller cups and balls - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    LOL. My eyes are trained to see the things they don't want you to see. Completely ruins all awesome magic tricks for me :/
     
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    And most religions are. It's just the fundamentalists, extremists and hypocrites that are usually the problem.

    I agree with Brennan Manning on this point:

    The problem I have with Jillette's quote is that he used to say that he chose not to believe in God, not to make such a ridiculous comment as "there is no God." That's just silly. Both he and his ego are big, so that probably has a lot to do with it. I share a lot of Jillette's beliefs. Just not this one.
     

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