Pfizer vaccine is junk nor tested for safety otherwise

There is no pandemic raging out of control and never has been.

I've likely already had it. According to the CDC 8 times as many Americans have been infected as have been tested positive - or 136,000,000 Americans have already had it - with the overwhelming majority have little to on negative consequence.

If having the viral disease did not create even short term immunity, no vaccine is going to do any damn good at all. If I've had it I can't spread it - and if not then no vaccine can do so either.

Regardless, if not and since statistically the odd of covid-19 killing me or any of my family members is virtually none. I would rather my own immune system learn how to defeat still another of the hundreds of known novel corona virus than have an immune system fully dependent upon a new vaccine found super fast with no long term effects known for every new novel corona virus that comes along - which is at least one new one a year now as the world is fully globalized for the spread of any infectious disease. There are perpetual old and new pandemic diseases.

The risk to me and mine is known to be exceptionally low. You life in terror of diseases and you make your own decisions living life your way. I will do so for mine. If you believe socializing excessively endangers you - stay indoors.

How long is the vaccine good for if you are one of the people it works for? No one knows, not even the vaccine makers. Maybe you should get the vaccine every 3 weeks for the rest of your life just to be on the safe side.

Here's a list of all vaccinations. You should get them all every year to make sure you can safely go into public. If you don't, you'll regret it if you get one of those diseases and never forgive yourself if you kill people for not doing so. Or do you not care if you avoidably die or kill other people?
List of Vaccines | CDC

 

There's a fellow I know - age 43 - who did everything he could think of to be infected - and when testing positive self quarantined so then not to endanger his family or anyone else. Said it was like a mild head cold for a couple days. Why the hell would he get the vaccine?

Of course, since individual rights no longer in exist in the USA under the view of practicality of the rights of the few have to sacrificed for the wants of others, so it is openly planned to restrict travel, employment, etc even if it known the person already had covid 19 - which according to the CDC is over 1/3 of Americans. 1/3 of Americans required to get a rushed vaccine of unknown long term effects for no reason whatsoever other than it would be a bother to check who already had it.

 

Big Pharma? Didn't you know that Mark Zuckerman is THE world's #1 expert virologist allowing only information he - as the smartest medical scientist to ever live at least for viruses and vaccines in world history - decides you may hear?

Yeah, the non-stop 24/7 bioterrorism for profit, power and political agenda of the plutocratic owners of social media outlets, search engines, all TV stations and all newspapers has produced the greatest successful attack against the USA, Constitution, human rights, individual rights and civil right in our country's history.

And wow have the plutocrats won and won big! Biden is filling his government with big tech. They have nearly obliterated their merchant middle class economic and political merchant middle class competitors - the ONLY group historically ever able to challenge the super rich plutocrats and keptocrat - making trillions - while erasing the Bill Of Rights, individual rights and freedom of speech - the list goes on and on.

You are no longer a person. You are just one of the livestock in the herd of your demographic group. You yourself no longer exist as an individual and your life is not for your purpose. You exist to be a nobody of the collective hive. But they assure you that they will take good care of their servants, serfs and slaves - even better than you could if you life your life for you - rather than for them and the collective because you are way too stupid to make any decisions or have any thoughts of your own. Peasants like us are like that and must be controlled and policed continuously. Even now continuously tracked.

Resistance is futile. Submit and you'll be happy with all needs provided. If not, you must be silenced and punished.

I mean, who the hell do you think you are making any decisions about your body? Your body, too, exists only to serve others such as your masters decide. If they don't totally control you then you might hurt yourself and others. There are exceptions like for looting, arson, assaults and riots because those are good things.

 

He has not invented the PCR test for covid. That's just impossible... since the guy is DEAD.
I am going to put you on ignore if you keep on claiming a freaking ghost forged that test.
That's just ludicrous.

Ha! Says you who thinks a ghost made the covid pcr test.

Of course you are the "expert". lol
You basically admit now being rather happy to ignore the "food and DRUGS administration" who has the info you seek.
While it's obvious Pfizer doesn't have that since Pfizer didn't invent the vaccine.

It's all whatever it takes to stick to your fakebook research.

Ah... personal attacks.

 

Aren't you saying that because in previous generations, vaccines took longer to design, this means that this vaccine should take the same amount of time?

 

Aha... here we have it.
I previously told you.... Than a person who has searched for freak butt weird conspiracy theories before is now being fed what the algorithm wants you to see.... and that's hoaxes.

The claim Mark Zuckerberg is the top virologist, is an other hoax.

Total hoax again.
Everyday something like 3000 die and we're at +300,000.
The US went to war for +10 years over 911 where only 3,000 died spending trillions.

You're idea that there is no pandemic out of control is a total disregard of the value of the human life.

 

Hardly a week goes by without my running into a friend who did not have it. I've lost track of the number of people I know who had it and got over it. As you've mentioned, most were not in the statistics because they suffered with it at home and never sought treatment.

This is a scam of epic proportions, a Grand Illusion.

 

these sound like questions for the Trump admin, who just put their stamp of approval on the vaccine

all I know, is that I will be getting the vaccine, all our healthcare workers are getting it, so if an issue, we will know by the time we get a chance months later

 

nope, but if one is seen as a risk from not vaccinating, they could have travel and other things restricted like employment during a national emergency in the middle of a pandemic

 

Russia Today is not a forum. It's a major state-sponsored news conglomerate. Get informed. For such venue to claim that a Western vaccine causes cancer and alters human DNA is a MAJOR misinformation attempt. Yes, I'm not naive.

 

Russia doesn't need defending by Americans.... look at their recent history, they are not to be trusted

 

That's the way it should be in the Land of The Free and Home of The Brave over a flu virus variant. Really, one should not be allowed to leave one's house without permission from the health authorities.

 

Stop mocking me as if I'm a fearful coward. I'm a damn medical doctor. What I'm saying is out of concern for YOU, not for me. If I were concerned for me, I'd prematurely retire rather than facing this pandemic as I'm quite wealthy and perfectly able to afford early retirement. I'm not indoors; I go to work at the hospital every work day.

No, the risk to you and yours is not exceptionally low. And no, the estimates of us missing 8 times the number of cases is exaggerated and comes from faulty studies like the Santa Clara survey which used a test rich in false positives and had a biased sample, the way they advertised it (Facebook of all places; no randomization; people who had had symptoms but had no access to testing flocked to the study to be tested that way, biasing the sample). Nowadays we have performed already 226,700,000 testes, enough for two thirds of the population (with some overlap due to retesting) so it's UTTERLY ABSURD to still think that we're missing 8 cases for each diagnosed one. Because what do you do with ALL these people who tested negative, in your calculation??? The population of the United States would have to be 5 times bigger for us to indeed be missing 8 cases for each diagnosed one. This piece of info is outdated and comes from a time when we didn't have enough testing. At the time, yes, we were missing a lot of cases. We are no longer missing them, and our Case Fatality Rate remains 1.8%. In terms of public health, this is NOT negligible. This virus is killing one 9/11 per day and has killed more than combat deaths in WWII and you still don't see that there is pandemic raging out of control? Not to forget, it's not just death but also long-term consequences for 10% of survivors with organ damage.

Like I said, we don't know how long the vaccine protection lasts. We'll find out. For now, we know that it confers good protection in the short term, soon we'll find out what the mid-term is, and later, what the long term is, and how often we'll need boosters. Also, there is cell immunity even after antibodies fade, and the cells jump into production of new antibodies if the virus is encountered after they have faded.

No, the "natural immunity" utopia is misguided when you are facing a dangerous virus. It's much better to acquire the same immunity through a vaccine that can't kill or maim you (except in exceptionally rare cases; even the complications we have had so far resulted in full recovery in all cases; nobody has died or has suffered permanent disability from these vaccines - the same can't be said of the virus).

I'll tell you what, do whatever you want. I tried. I meant well, but your ideas won't budge, so I'm throwing the towel, as far as you are concerned. I'll continue to advocate for others to take this seriously. Be safe. Good bye.

 

I'm guessing that the anti-vaccers don't care what the Trump admin has to say, even if they are Trump supporters. Are there anti-vaccers on the left? I think it's more of a thing on the right.

 

my guess is Trump will start pushing anti-vaxxer nonsense soon enough

Trump will probably even refuse to get vaccinated

 

Nearly three hundred thousand have died from covid. Were they immune? Are you sure you aren't just afraid of needles and looking for an excuse to avoid getting a shot?

 

~ What flavor works best ?

~ So far it's a killer of freedom and liberty -- unless you are Wal-Mart , a government employee or a politician.

 

300,000 Americans have not died of covid-19.

 

The CDC is who said 8 times as many have likely been infected.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...e-updates-n1248932/ncrd1249069#liveBlogHeader

 

Any other region of the world you don't think should be trusted? What about the Amazonian rain forest? Trustable? Certainly we can trust the Saraha Desert, can't we?

 

changing the subject, why not happy some Americans don't trust Russia?

 

Do you trust Fox News, CNN and MSNBC?

 

Isn't it a lucky break that of the old members of Congress not even one has died of the out of control pandemic? They are so lucky they not only haven't lost $1 of pay they even got a pay raise.

We don't need a vaccine. The government just needs to make every American an honorary member of Congress. This way they would be fully immune, no one would be out of work and everyone would get an increase in income.

If they were humane people, the CEOs of Big Tech would name all Americans honorary VPs of their companies. That would also give them total immunity and a pile of money on top of that. If Mark Zuckerman would tweet "All Americans are now honorary Facebook Vice Presidents" not only would everyone be immune and profit, some then could even be on Biden's transition team.

Why go with a 95% effective solution at astronomical costs when there are 100% effective free alternatives that are also very lucrative for everyone?

 

do you trust Russia?

 

Never been to Russia so I don't if it is safe to visit or not. But then I never plan to. I have no land, business or relatives in Russia so the question has no relevancy to me.

If you are asking if I trust a Russian newspaper? I don't trust any newspapers. They ALL are just propaganda outlets of either plutocrats or kleptocrats.

Will you now answer my question? Do you trust FOX, CNN and MSNBC to always tell the truth?