Police Execution Squads, the Tyrannical Government that Supports them.

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  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Two best responses; comply and say nothing.
    The standard use to be, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
    It is being transformed to you are innocent until accused of being Republican or a conservative.
     
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  2. Shutcie

    Shutcie Newly Registered Donor

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    What a democrat does is often viewed as politics
    What a republican does is often viewed as criminal.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How far do you take this? If you were a cop and you caught a man sexually assaulting a woman (a felony), and he immediately got on his knees and put his hands up, would you pull your service pistol out and put one through his head anyway?
     
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    The law and leo training on use of lethal force is a lot more specific.
    Use of lethal force is last resort, and you have to believe your life or the life of another is in imediate danger. Theres also the serious injury thing, but bottom line, its last resort.
     
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    That depends on who is doing the viewing.
     
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    I'd operate within the bounds of the law, obviously. Lethal force is justified in defense of yourself or others during the commission of the act, or has the means to commit an act and has/is threatening violence that could lead to death or serious bodily harm.

    If he got shot in the act of raping someone: justified. If he somehow manages to notice the guy before getting shot, surrenders before they can pull the trigger, and continues to not be a threat until placed under arrest, obviously that's not justified.

    What you're describing is execution. That should be carried out after a trial and a guilty verdict.
     
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    In many states lethal force is justified to stop a forcible felony, which sexual assault is.
     
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    Living a life of subjectivity is what makes one a leftist, after all.
     
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    Or the apprehension of an individual who has harmed or may potentially harm others.
     
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    The thing is that most people have no idea what the "law" actually is regarding lethal force. They largely just make it up as they go along based upon their own beliefs.
     
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    Everyone I've ever known that carries a firearm knows them quite well. Not to mention, the statistics on violent crimes committed by people with a CCW don't really bear that out.

    That said, there is a segment of the population that buys a gun, throws it in a drawer, and has no idea how to use it, nor do they bother learning anything about the implications of using it. Those people are generally anti-gun leftists though.
     
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    This discussion is not about CCW, but sworn law enforcement officers. Who have indeed been taught extensively in the use of deadly force.

    I was such an individual, who first learned the application and use of deadly force way back in 1984. And almost 4 decades later I can still recite the authorizations without thought, it was that deeply pounded into me.

    "Deadly force is that force which a person knows or should reasonably know is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. It is only used in cases of extreme necessity when all lesser means have failed or can not be reasonably employed". Of course that is only part of it, but the most critical part and nobody in my former line of work was allowed to do their job unless they knew and understood that. And I would say 98% of those I knew who carried firearms were the same.

    However, when it comes to CCW that is not the case at all. Not saying anything bad about somebody who has a CCW, but they are not law enforcement agents and therefore their only real area of responsibility ends when it comes to self defense or defense of others.
     
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    Ah I wasn't sure what you meant when you said most people don't know what the law is regarding lethal force.
     
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    Not a huge number of people who in threads like this spout off more about their own personal beliefs than the actual law. Like it can only be used in self defense or to defend others. That is not true at all, yet a lot of people believe it is true or should be true.

    I already mentioned "apprehension and escape" as one of them. That is why prison guards are armed and authorized to shoot those that are trying to break out of jail (as well as any trying to assist them). Another comes into play when say something is being stolen that could harm others. Like a truck full of explosives or a store full of weapons. There may be no actual threat at an officer trying to stop them, but if they are not stopped huge numbers could die so deadly force becomes authorized.

    For those of us that actually had to potentially use deadly force in the line of duty, such considerations are of critical importance. And shows how childish most of those are on the other side who never seem to even consider anything past the immediate.
     
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    You claim to be trained yet you cannot get the terminology correct.
     
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    Uh-huh, right. And where am I getting it wrong exactly?

    You know what I really love about how so many people in here are? They just throw out these almost random accusations and the like, and absolutely never actually say what is wrong.
     
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    "so deadly force becomes authorized."
     
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    Yes? And what is the problem with that?

    Come on now, if you are going to say I am wrong you have to actually say how and why. Not just throw out as few words as possible that is a quote from me and nothing else.
     
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    You might even believe that...
     
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    I was a cop for 5 years and have a degree in police science.
    Yes, I believe it.
    I lived it.
     
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    Jarlaxle Banned

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    Ah-so your profession REQUIRED you to believe that. It's OK, that used to be common.
     
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    There was a time I would likely have done just that, until I came to the thinking that 20+ years in prison would be a greater punishment , given how sexual predators are viewed by other convicts and likely would be a target of rape himself; a quick death is too easy.
     
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    So enough of your inuendo and unsupported criticism.
    What's your experience in law enforcement?
    Ever been a cop?
    Ever had a non confrontational conversation with a cop?
    Ever studied what it is, exactly that a cop does?
    Or are you just going with the usual "I saw it on the web so it must be true, all cops are pigs"?
     
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    I could never be a cop-though if I had good knees and no morals, I'd have done it in a heartbeat! Good pay, solid gold benefits, and retirement early with a fat pension.

    A cop raped my wife.
     
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    Ah. My daughter was drugged, kidnapped, raped, sodomized and beaten half to death by two teachers.

    It never occurred to me to blame all teachers. But I do understand your pain and anger. I hope your wife got justice.

    I will tell you cops are not cops so they can rape and murder. The few that are bullies who make it into uniform don't last long. And the pay isn't all that great. The retirement is pretty good if you get out with your health. The benefits aren't special.

    I was a cop in a smaller department, less than 50 uniforms. In 5 years one cop probably should never have been a cop. He didn't make it through probation. The rest were basically good cops. Some better than others. I left because of political issues (arrested the mayors son) but truly liked the work. Well, most of it.
     

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