POLL: Should we apologize to the blacks for enslaving their ancestors?

how many of the genes past down are from the slave owners raping the women, there is a reason for the fast lighting of skin color

how many have both slave and slave owner genes in them?

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we have apologized, and taken corrective action.... so no, we do not need to do anything more, in fact... having a black President shows just how far we have come as a nation in correcting the wrongs of the past when it comes to race

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But those are a legacy of slavery, and should be torn down. Everything built before the League of Nations ban of slavery was signed in 1927 anywhere in Africa needs to be destroyed as they are reminders of black slavery. At least that's the claim of black leaders here, so why not everywhere else in the world? Same for the ME, China, India, Central and South America, everywhere Pyramids, mosques, Mecca, all need to go. It's only fair and respectful of racial sensitivities.

 

an excellent absurdist post.

 

guess you didn't bother reading the links I provided. Seems you can't bring yourself to admit that you made a statement that spotlighted the fact you don't know what you were talking about.


typical.

 

Blacks should apologize for enslaving their fellow blacks, since they started it

Or maybe Arabs should apologize, since they had more black slaves than any other group. Maybe our white progressive friends will start putting pressure on Arab Muslims to apologize to blacks? Should I hold my breath on that one happening?

 

Ok. Fair enough. Thank you for that explanation.

 

Their achievement was far behind others.
Even in south america, some cultures did much much better.

The reference says.
In 8th century, blacks built a city, there were 10, 000 people.
And blacks made status, which were half of life size.

Your achievement was even far behind south east asia.

Anyway, I said blacks were not able to build a brick house, this is wrong.

 

that was my point.

as to the level of achievements, there is not doubt that sub Saharan cultural achievements were far below those of others. From an anthropological perspective that had way more to do with the fact that they lived in a clement environment with a relative abundance of food sources and modest shelter requirements, were relatively isolated (Saharan barrier) which limited trade opportunities to a significant degree. then of course by the time the Europeans began their colonial campaigns, it was in their best interests to limit those cultures from attaining equal status. the effects are still being felt.

 

There are still slaves in Africa, apologies are for the weak minded anyways.

Why apologize for something every culture ever has participated in one way or another?

 

Wait a second, don't you mean they brought modern civilization to them and they couldn't handle that and ended up in the predicament we see today?

Those evil whiteys, keep your technology and civilization outta here.

 

No, I mean that the whites brought their modern technology to subjugate the black population and exploit the resources of their colonies. Perhaps a history book might help.

 

Over 200 plus posts into this thread, and it is 80% to 18% AGAINST apologizing to the American Black Community (something too may posters in this thread don't understand Congress has already done it). I would say it is time the thread was closed out - it served a purpose, we know the feelings of the entire PF community, which probably mirrors American society's opinions on the matter - time to cut it loose, when you're down 80-20, it is time to throw in the towel. No apology, no reason to do so.................

 

WE didn't enslave them....................

 

How did you make that leap?

Apologize for enslaving their own people, for enslaving whites.

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So you can't show where black families and blacks in general have done measurable and TRILLIONS of dollars worth of better?

 

Who is "we"?

Did some White Americans personally prosper via the cheap labour of the Blacks they enslaved? Irrefutably. Present day Americans who share the commonweal, White and Black alike, have benefited.

I would rather that the contributions of those who were enslaved, regardless of those contributions having been involuntary, be acknowledged and honoured rather than indulging in a token gesture that presumes the power to issue a meaningful apology for dead people's abuse of other dead people.

Addressing current inherited inequalities is an ethical issue in its own right, of course.

 

Say what?

 

WE didn't enslave them. Europeans and Africans enslaved them. The United States did not invent nor even establish slavery on this continent.

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Yes who is this "we", did US Citizens go to Africa and capture blacks bringing them here establishing slavery?

 

Certainly not Black Americans. Why should the US government apologize on their behalf?

America benefited as a nation from the contributions of slaves.

 

Because we did not invent slavery does not mean we did not enslave African Americans -- starting as soon as we landed in Jamestown..

They are not mutually exclusive. Der.

 

Right after Captain John Smith attempted to enslave the native Americans in 1607

Quoted from "Generall Historie of Virginia" by Captain John Smith

"I believed that the English should treat Indians as the Spanish had: to compel them to "drudgery, work, and slavery," so English colonists could live "like Soldiers upon the fruit of their labor."

Didn't work, so he tried genocide next.

 

So what, Eruope and Africa benefitted from slavery. Italy benefitted from enslaving my ancestors.

The fact is the United States did not bring slavery to this continent, did not invent slavery nor was not the only country/society to have slavery or benefit in some way from slavery.

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Again who is "we". Slave importation ended in the United States shortly after the United States was founded. Slavery was established here by European countries who purchased the slaves from African nations. Let them do the apologizing to any former slaves.

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And he was never a "we" as in a citizen of the United States of America.

 

We -- is U.S. You know that. Don't play dumb.

We inculcated slavery into our constitution -- you can thank the Southerners for wanting it to remain and force us to make that dirty, dirty compromise. -- otherwise they never would have joined the Union. They told us so. They held their slaves as hostage.

True. After the US abolished the Atlantic Slave Trade in 1808, we were breeding them here on our own.

To the tune of 4 million by 1860.

 

Well the US did not go to Africa and enslave people, slavery was established on this continent by Europeans who bought the slaves from the Africans who enslaved them.

So who is this "we" that if anyone should issue an apology should be doing it?

It already existed here, the Constitution did not create slavery here. The economy of the region was totally dependent on the slavery the Europeans established here of course those states were not going to wreck their entire economy to become part of the United States even beyond the fact there was no provision as to what to do with all the slaves if they were suddenly freed.

Yes, the United States did not sail to Africa and run out into the jungle and enslave free people. Europeans and Africans did that.

 

Bull crap. Slavery was in the process of dying out when we wrote that Constitution, but the Southerns insist we inculcate it into out Constitution, they held their slaves as hostage and said they wouldn't join if they were not allowed to be slavers. The CSA noted that as well some 70 years later when they wrote their Declaration of Causes.

That damned Cotton Gin was something the founders could not see, causing demand to skyrocket.

Red herring much? We enslaved them here - and then bred them here. And the treasonous south fought a bloody war for the right to preserve, protect and expand slavery many generations after those slaves arrived on ships.

 

Absurd! There are more important things to talk about than this. With no offense to anyone whatsoever, people have to get over it. If you a racist d**k then that's your problem, but if you are just a human being treating other human beings as human beings, then sir, you are ok, you are fine.

Why apologize for something that you could never change? imagine:

your grandma beat the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of a woman and killed her in 1929, now that woman's daughter grew up and you see her in the street and for whatever reason you both know each other but you never seen each other, and you start talking. Now bear in mind, grandma, is already dead , do you feel obliged to apologize? Why?

Yes its really sad, and humiliating (sort of) and uncomfortable, bad and whatever... but it was not you, and not your decision, for you know your decision, you wouldn't kill... because taking a persons life is not a privilege we as humans should have... its sick... but... you where not involved, so no.... just treat each person as a person, and you are fine my friend.