Popular Ron DeSantis Set A Record

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  1. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Yep, Republicans like DeSantis are up to their normal antics again by wanting to lock people up and have the crowd cheer for it. This time, it's doctors who do gender affirming care, next time, it will be teachers, and when the campaign starts in full, the "lock him up" chants will be targeted at Biden.



    This kind of stuff goes well with the base and gets him likes and donations. However, independents will be REALLY turned off by all this authoritarian social warrior stuff.
     
  2. Zorro

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    Isn't he talking about folks who commit felonies?

    What is it with the Left that they want felons loose on the streets to commit felonies?

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    We're supposed to celebrate the fact that a group of Sea Island elitist globalists gave mega millions to DeSwamp in an attempt to thwart Trump and We The People from altering their Uniparty status quo?
     
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    Which is why I'm voting for Trump again, and ONLY him.

    If you truly think that ONE man, within a mere four years and with very little to no congressional support, can somehow quickly eradicate the Deep State (that took decades to build and weaponize against We The People), then I've got a bridge to sell you... and if you truly think that DeSwamp is the one man who can accomplish such a feat, then I've got a completely rotted wooden bridge to sell you.

    ... but then at some point we need to come back to reality and realize that a number of things stand in the way of DeSwamp or RFK ever getting the nomination and/or presidency in the first place, and not just the election fraud issue.

    1) How is RFK going to win the nomination when Democrat superdelegates (who ultimately choose their nominee) are going to strongly support Biden? How is RFK going to win the nomination when many Democrat voters hate him because he's an "anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist"?

    2) How is DeSwamp going to win the primary when he's currently too scared to campaign in his own home state of FL because he wishes to avoid the bad optics of more Trump supports showing up to his event than his own supporters?

    3) How is DeSwamp going to win the general when there is a very significant percentage of Trump voters (Per Rich Baris's polling, I conservatively estimate at least 10 million voters) who are "ONLY Trump" voters? (IOW, they will not turn out for DeSwamp in the general)

    4) How, specifically, is DeSwamp going to go about winning the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and/or Pennsylvania? Even with the new electoral college makeup helping Republicans a bit, even with winning both Arizona AND Georgia (and even with winning New Hampshire, Maine 2nd, AND Nebraska 2nd), he STILL needs at least one of the aforementioned "blue wall" states in order to push him over the top.......... Which one will it be and how will he go about winning it?
     
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    Looks like the dems will run a "Weekend at Bernie's" type campaign with Biden.
     
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    Potential felonies only because of the ton of draconian laws that DeSantis pushed through in Florida, which are written so vaguely that almost any teacher could fear to be prosecuted. For what? So he can cement his culture warrior reputation with the base, with an eye on the WH. No, thank you, we don't want a wannabe dictator in the WH, who is punishing people for his own political gain in his quest for power. Independents don't want this either, it's only the hardcore GOP base that is salivating.
     
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    I doubt they are excessively vague, because if they are, they are unenforceable, and you are clearly concerned, which indicates that even you don't believe your claim.
    You think he's vague? You have yet to say what law it is that you are even talking about.
    You speak for Indies? Yeah, we'll see if you have the guts to state what law it is you are talking about and then we'll look at polling of independents and see if your claims hold up.
     
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    We'll it worked last time.

    The most important question for every candidate is "explain why we can expect you to win an election under current election law."

    For DeSantis, it's "explain how you can win 35 of the ECV from GA, AZ, PA, WI, MI under existing election law."

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    That's the same question I have for Trump. I think his mouth costs him at least 5 points and his mouth remains unreformed.

    What's Trump's plan to pick up 35 votes from GA, AZ, PA, WI, MI under existing election law? Which ever Republican has the most credible plan to do so, gets my vote in the Primary.

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    Curious because of your post, I hunted for some recent polling:

    'Gender-Affirming Care—Divided On Treatment: An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll conducted in March found a 54% majority oppose policies that would criminalize gender-affirming medical care for minors, most oppose transgender youth receiving puberty-blocking medication or hormonal treatments.'

    I recalled that a majority were against the care, did not recall that a majority are also against criminal penalties for providing the care, which was your point.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...ally-feel-about-lgbtq-issues/?sh=674c7a542e88

    Thank you for pointing that out to me. Indies are 41-56 against criminal penalties for drug medical intervention which is consistent with your point.
     
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    Admittedly there's a small group of "never Trumpers" out there (The "Ben Shapiros" of the world, who are currently backing DeSantis, and would vote for Biden over Trump), but that group of people is WAYYYYYYY smaller than the "only Trump" group of people. Without Trump in the general, all of those votes are either write-ins for Trump, Democrat votes, or no shows. It would be 1992 on steroids... Either Trump wins or the Uniparty wins; it's truly that simple.

    With regard to forming a coalition, Trump has built up a very diverse working class coalition based on shared economic/foreign policy instead of divisive "woke/anti-woke" messaging. He does better with Hispanics than any other candidate, which is vital to winning, and his recent gains in polls (and his highest approval ratings ever atm) are fueled by not only Hispanics, but also WOMEN (believe it or not). Trump does the best out of any other Republican in urban areas, which is important to bleed enough votes from those places.

    Trump can win in PA (and did in 2016) because he does well with self-identified Democrats there (especially on the western side of the state) who are part of trade unions and who have seen their jobs disappear to China for cheap slave labor and due to "Church of Green" economic policy. Trump also does better than other Republicans in the urban Pitt/Philly areas. DeSantis doesn't get those voters, plain and simple. Trump only "lost" PA in 2020 due to election fraud and continuously "finding ballots" for days upon days after (s)election day until juuuuuuuuust enough ballots were "found".

    Trump can win in MI (and did in 2016) due to similar reasoning (lost auto manufacturing jobs). DeSantis likewise doesn't get those voters, plain and simple. Trump only "lost" MI in 2020 due to the same election fraud.

    Trump can win in WI (and did in 2016) due to similar reasoning (lost manufacturing jobs, farmers getting bent over by corporatism/globalism/Church of Green, etc). Trump likewise appeals to trade union members who otherwise vote Democrat. Without Trump on the ballot here, a plethora of voters in the Western and Northern portions of the State will either vote Democrat or not turn out, giving Biden a 10 point win against DeSwamp or any other Swamp Republican who is despised here. With Trump on the ballot, those people all turn out and vote for him. Yes, Dane County prefers DeSantis and has some never Trumpers... Yes, pockets of the WOW counties prefer DeSantis (or Vivek), with some being never Trumpers... but most of those people will still turn out for Trump anyway, and with the strong support for Trump in the Western and especially the Northern part of the state, it'll be enough for Trump to carry it by a bigger margin than 2016.

    Trump can win ALL of those Rust Belt States, while DeSantis can't win ANY of them... Trump is by far the better candidate. It also speaks volumes that Trump is the only candidate being relentlessly attacked by the Deep State (apparently he actually opposes/threatens it unlike other Republicans who they don't bother going after, let alone relentlessly going after).

    In terms of electioneering, Trump also seems to be the only one who is serious about the election fraud that happened in 2020 and about forming a potent ballot harvesting operation to compete with the Democrats' well-oiled ballot harvesting operation in 2024. All DeSantis can do is inauthentically repeat the same words that Trump has already authentically said prior.

    Also, I cannot in my right mind support DeSantis, who has backstabbed not only Trump (by running against Trump after he made DeSantis governor via his primary endorsement of him) but also backstabbed the people of Florida (by abandoning his elected post as governor to run for president, and had the law changed special just for him so he could remain governor in title only). Why would I trust such a backstabber to not backstab ME by selling me out to China and to the Church of Green? Trump, meanwhile, has kept his promises and supports me and my interests. He has EARNED my support.

    Edit: Forgot about AZ and GA... GA is winnable for Trump (did in 2016) and only "lost" it in 2020 due to election fraud (shutting counting down and then "finding" juuuuuuuust enough ballots). And in AZ Trump will have Kari Lake working relentlessly to support him (as if he needs it) and the election fraud machine in Maricopa County that costed Trump 2020 and Lake 2022 won't be able to get away with costing Trump 2024 (being watched MUUUUCH closer, Trump voters won't depend only on election day to vote, WILL vote early).
     
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    “The weaponization of federal law enforcement represents a mortal threat to a free society. We have for years witnessed an uneven application of the law depending upon political affiliation. Why so zealous in pursuing Trump yet so passive about Hillary or Hunter?” DeSantis tweeted about two hours after the news. “The DeSantis administration will bring accountability to the DOJ, excise political bias and end weaponization once and for all.”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...ide-why-so-zealous-in-pursuing-trump-00101198

    The political calculus being RonDon thinks it is to his advantage to demonize the DoJ rather than pile on Individual 1.
     
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    DeSantis signs sweeping anti-ESG legislation in Florida

    May 2 (Reuters) - Florida governor Ron DeSantis signed into law on Tuesday a bill barring state officials from investing public money to promote environmental, social and governance goals, and prohibiting ESG bond sales.
    https://www.reuters.com/business/su...ers) - Florida,and prohibiting ESG bond sales.

    It's as though miniTrump is a message board troll looking for ways to "own the libs."
     
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    There is nothing "liberal" about ESG

    ESG Emerges as Left-Wing Economic 'Big Brother'

    'The rise of left-wing corporate marketing and environmental, social and governance (ESG) standards are creating a form of corporate dystopia that effectively gives Democrats control over your life without your consent. The soft totalitarianism of conformity can be seen by the increased control we’ve given corporate America. And that control is being abused every day. If you’re concerned about “Big Brother,” he probably won’t be pulling your strings from Washington, but rather, through the “death by a thousand paper cuts” enabled by your ideological and social betters at big corporations.'

    TRUMP TALKS A GOOD GAME BUT DESANTIS GETS THINGS DONE
     
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    Democrats are overjoyed with their chances of winning the Presidency again in 2024. Why? The two leading Republican candidates by a large margin are Trump and DeSantis.

    Trump has been criminally indicted twice, and he lost a lawsuit claiming he was a sexual predator and must pay $5 million. More criminal indictments are likely.

    DeSantis is so screwed up he declared war on Mi key Mouse. Mickey is Florida's largest employer and taxpayer. How dumb is that?
     

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