Pornography & prostitution must be Destroyed Forever

And ponies these days.

 

Why would you be surprised?

What do you have against consenting adults having fun? What?

If consenting adults want to indulge in kinky sexual fetishes, why would anyone try to stop them? There's absolutely no logical reason. None.

 

It's not an insult, it's an observation.

Human beings are supposed to be above the instinctual sloth and froth of beasts. Unless you're a democrat, I guess.

Animals urinate and defecate freely and will often masturbate or hump in the open for all to see. I suppose you can go that route as well.

 

I do not see the difference between "human" and "beasts". The distinction is purely imaginary. A result of the rather common, yet potent human hubris.

If you disagree, please pinpoint exactly where in the course of evolution humanity graduated from "beasts". If you do not believe in evolution, then I will concede the "instinctual sloth and froth of beasts" comment.

 

Why don't you just open a thread and translate the New Testament and underline the important parts.

 

The worst part about this thread is I posted a very relevant article full of citations and facts and it was completely disregarded and ignored in a debate.

Sympotmatic of this site unfortunately, partisan and religious beliefs trump logic and debate here. This thread should have ended about 10 pages ago, but it will continue on for another week with name calling and bull(*)(*)(*)(*) accusations.

 

I'm NOT excusing it - never have, never will and I do NOT accept it. It's a lifestyle that's far removed from mine and b/c porn is a billion $ business for a certain type of adult, it will not go away. Wouldn't it be nice if it did, but it never will........ when the porn industry has people demanding it, willing to pay the price to see it and a certain type of women willing to be part of it, it's here to stay.

If there was a way to totally wipe out adult porn, sure I'd GLADLY be part of those to do away w/it and clean up our society - but until then, we're stuck w/it b/c a certain type of adult demands it.

My concern is the kiddie porn - a filthy, vile, evil business that destroys the kids. I care about the kids, not the perverted adults...

What you stated is sadly true and I wish to God there was an answer to stop the smut - particularly the smut that's destroying the innocent kids!

No, I do NOT have an 'oh well, so be it!' attitude when it comes to porn, but if you have the answer to rid us of this spreading filth, clue me in and I'll join forces......

 

This thread has never been about serious debate or facts. Why are you surprised?

 

From one perspective, paying for porn or sex with our money should be considered both moral and ethical if it does not deny or disparage a covenant of good faith and fair dealing simply because of the additional "covenant" implied in fact, by the term: "In God We Trust" on our lucre as official currency for our republic.

 

That happens all the time where very quality material is just skipped over on this site

 

are you talking about this?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-sunny-side-of-smut

complete validation of the concerns I have raised about porn being pervasive and child porn becoming mainstream.

more validation of my point about overconsumption of porn, ie: not having boundaries and bringing it into all aspects of life.

to be honest, I can not understand how you seperate out a person's or society's morals out from the equation. The fact is that some people approve of women being porn stars but others do not. So the woman has to deal with the reactions of her own relatives and friends as well as the general population, some women are strong enough...but some are not. I don't know the methodology or the subjects of any study Mr Diamond conducted but I suspect it is not very objective, on a personal level, I have seen the devastation brought on by porn. I work with abused children and women using equine therapy. I also volunteer with the Women's Shelter.

Also look at the men on this thread...the ones that are pro pornography don't express too much respect or admiration for the women in the porn they brag about, they mock them or view them as nonhumans.

notice that they didn't study any men that did not use porn at all.

and notice that they, again, back up my claim that fetish porn is different from the vanilla porn that used to be the easy to obtain stuff.

and including women in the study, IMO, skewed the results...how can you compare a study of male porn users with a study of female porn users? Of course women are going to have a different opinion than men.

and you can't blame all the attitudes about women solely on the porn, again, what methodology did they use to factor out the larger cultural attitude towards women that older men have?

I skipped the rape section to shorten this post (the computer wouldn't let me post the whole thing but I'll just say that part isn't pertinent to my argument because I don't think watching porn 'causes' rape and haven't made that claim.

one thing that strikes me about this article though, is it says nothing about the MAKING of porn. About the effects on the actors and actresses. Or the many amateurs that find themselves drawn into it for whatever reasons. You can't look at porn without considering that.

Even if you decide porn is ok for the average male to partake of...is it ok to sacrifice another for his pleasure? Or does there need to be some control so that the people that make the porn are not harmed, the people that use the porn are not harmed and the society in general isn't harmed?

Do you think there should be NO controls, that no one has a right to not be exposed to something they find horrific? That there should be no private/public distinctions, no age restrictions, no consent requirements?

 

I am sorry but this just went right over my head...

(hey, I am just an ol country girl...spell it out!)

or draw me a picture..

 

I admit I get angry when I specifically mention what upsets me and the other posters come back with that exact thing. I KNOW I shouldn't let it get to me, that just feeds them but... it is what it is.

We can talk about porn all day long without having to go into horrific details about fetish and violence like some here have done.

and I do not have a problem with gay porn or straight porn, if someone keeps it adult and to themselves. If you don't let me know, how can I object?

 

I know you didn't, I was ranting...I didn't mean to upset you or make you think I was accusing you.

I care about the perverted adults as well, though. Hummingbird, those women..sure some of them do it and are happy as larks but I have seen too many, led on by belief that some man 'loved' them or that the money was gonna do so much good in their lifes...

 

That's ok. It probably isn't your argument anyway.

 

Capital management skills can be considered important in any market based economy.

 

Attitudes toward pornography have traditionally been more divided among women, and especially feminist women, than among men (who dominate these web forums). Nevertheless, today even women, yes feminist women included, decreasingly object to, and increasingly consume, pornographic material. Nielson found that in 2007 women constituted one-third of all consumers of pornography. Hustler at that same time reported that 56% of their video sales are now to female customers.

Feminists' root concerns regarding pornography are not unlike those described in the OP in many respects: basically, that it leads to the proliferation of rape culture. Such was the theory in the 1970s. But it has been decades since then and, despite significant sexual liberalization since that time, there is little evidence to suggest a connection between porn consumption on the one hand and rape on the other. Rates of rape have rapidly declined (by about half) in this country over the last 15 years or so since the passage of the Violence Against Women Act despite the coinciding proliferation of free online porn. In other words, it seems people, including men, are smarter than the OP suggests. It suggests they are capable of separating fantasy from reality. And feminism is developing in such a way as to recognize that reality. Since the early 1980s there has been such a thing as what is called sex-positive feminism. It is this broad range of schools that I belong to.

As for prostitution, feminists haven't traditionally objected to women working in that field per se and neither do I. A few people still argue that it constitutes the exploitation and objectification of women's bodies, but I think most people realize these days that the sex industry in reality pays. Old arguments about "objectification" of women's bodies strike me as an objection to any public display of sexuality on the part of women. That's just silly.

I'm not saying that genuinely non-consensual porn productions don't exist or that pimping is a good thing. That stuff should be illegal! But banning prostitution, for example, does not help matters. It just curtails the rights of women to do as they please with their bodies. Legalizing prostitution can get rid of pimps and thereby raise the incomes of sex workers and improve their working conditions. It can likewise ensure that the workers in question don't feel scared to report being attacked or raped for fear of being thrown in jail themselves or something. And porn is just a free speech issue. Women are not only porn performers these days, but increasingly also owners of porn businesses and actual consumers of the material in question.

If for you "feminism" just means restricting the legal rights of women, telling them how to dress and behave in public, etc., ...what kind of feminism is that?? Is that really liberating?

 

By mainstream what do you mean? on your publicly available cable? or easily accessed on the internet? Either way it's a persons right to choose whether they view this material. I agree it shouldn't be shoved down your throat, but I feel similarly about religion and I don't get offended when I see Christian or Muslim or Scientiology results popping up on my google search, I just avoid them and move on.

Except that isn't what it says.

What that suggests is that people who view porn are less likely to commit sexual crimes on others, which is good for society and completely contradictory to Americann's OP

This isn't exclusive to this industry and you could almost make this point with any industry that isn't regulated properly. The high quality porn you see on popular sites is made by professionals who take drug tests, std tests and have access to councelling for any problems they may have a result. The problem is with the amatuer and predatory porn sites that are simply preying on others weaknesses. This isn't a problem with porn itself, it's a problem with regulation. I agree the abuse of women in porn can happen but abuse happens in foster care, abuse happens in corporate settings, abuse happens from police officers, it's a problem with regulation not the act itself.

My girlfriend and I watch porn, we admire those women. They are talented, they are professionals at what they do and they are putting on a show. I think you'll find the same view prevelant with modelling, reality TV shows, celebrities, and even some politicans (Bachmann and Palin?) once again, not an issue exclusive to pornography.

Sure it's different, but it goes back to the earlier subject of violent crimes being reduced by watching porn. If watching a staged fetish video with consenting adults in a controlled environment on his computer keeps someone from going out and committing the crime to get it out of his fantasies into reality is well worth having in our society IMO.

It didn't skew the results because they were results from different surveys. And they both showed that women are more likely to be viewed in a more positive light among young porn watchers than older rural male viewers. That was the result of the survey.

Perhaps you're highlighting a disconnect with your own point here. Your point is that porn viewers are less likely to be respectful to women, but then you contradict that by saying there are other societal factors in that opinion, age, geographic location, political affiliation. Are we suggesting that rural republicans should be banned because they have negative opinions of women, or that their views should be kept out of the 'mainstream' community?

Agreed. The surveys and studies suggest the effect is opposite.

Once again, I think that is a seperate issue that should be dealt with by regulation. I agree that the internet is a big problem in this respect as it allows unfettered access to anyone who wants to publish this and thus can allow them to avoid regulations set up in Silicon Valley by the professionals in the industry to make the profession safe.

Absolutely there should be control, I don't like viewing porn I deem as predatory, I personally don't enjoy it. However that is a blanket statement there you made. Not every porn actress is making a sacrifice in a negative respect, some really enjoy what they do and reap the benefits of an industry that pays very well. Once again your issue is with the 'underground' porn industries who act in a predatory manner. Regulation is the answer. Perhaps a law for being coerced into this or having material released (sextapes) without your consent with some rigourous penalties. Not to mention some actual enforcement.

No I don't, I think there should be more controls, however that doesn't mean that porn is bad or that those who view is are degrading society. The article I posted suggests the opposite. I agree underground porn industry should be regulated or cracked down upon. But it isn't much different to the 'casting couches' of hollywood and the modelling industry, or predatory politicans sexting constituients. It simply needs regulation and enforcement.

What I view in my own house in private is my business so long as what I am viewing is A: Not child porn and B: produced by professionals in a regulated controlled environment.

I think we agree on a lot of points and I apprecaite your input and personal experiences.

 

Great post, Scares me that we're actually having a responsible meaningful discussion in one of Americann's threads.. This might be the first one he's started that have had actual facts in it.

Just to add a point about the 'objectification', that's not something thats exclusive to the porn industry and in fact I would argue that fashion and popular culture magazines do more damage in this respect than the porn industry. They are accessible to youth who are still developing their opinions and 'trends' are increasingly being aimed towards a younger and younger demographic. Those 'trends' are increasingly sexual and those magazines are also becoming more and more sexualized. Objectification of people is a societal problem that I would say pornography is an extremely small participant in, far less than popular culture of Lady GaGa, Britney Spears, Black Eyed Peas etc.

 

Check out this liberal feminist landlord showing off her (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)iness.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/74...dam-ghost-panther-mckay?playlist=hall_of_fame

 

And how does this add to the discussion?

No content, just troll.

 

In my opinion, porn should be used for goodness and not badness; why is it so difficult to be that moral, if not that holy?

 

Even a blind jackass finds the occasional feedbag!

 

Wow, that is one of the top ten most idiotic things I have ever read.
Not only would you desire for all the non offenders to be punished along side those you feel are offending you in some way, but then you believe they will identify this divine punishment with their behavior?

THIS is exactly why you are a Hypocrite, you would have millions of inocent women and children killed or injured in an earthquake rather than to risk being raped? Or more basically, enjoy sex like 99% of the population does?

Who is the sick person here?

Almost as many women look at porn as men, and not all rough sex is actually rape, so who are you to tell people what they should do or watch? Lot's of couples use porn as an enhancement for their sex life. My girlfriend, soon to be wife, loves watching Hentai tentical rape anime from Japan, she thinks it's hot! LOL!

 

Why do some persons of alleged morals attempt to incite repugnance to our own federal Constitution and Bill of Rights?