Poverty is Not the Cure for Poverty

There is this ethos on the right. People think that if we just make people suffer, then we'll make them better. They'll start to take responsibility, and they're rise up out of poverty. That completely ignores all of human history.

 

No one believes suffering makes people better. I don't know where you get your crap from.

The right believes if someone just wants to sit on the couch all day, watch TV, and eat bon bons, they shouldn't expect the rest of us to pay for their food, clothing, and shelter.

 

Hunger is the world's best motivator.

With the opportunities one has in the USA, there is no excuse for an able bodied person to be dependent on his fellow citizens. Folks in the third world can only dream of the opportunities available to even the poorest of americans

 

Big fat contradiction right there, wasn't it? People are hungry, but they have all this opportunity... which allows them to not be hungry.

Whatever. If poverty was the best motivator in the world, then all of our poor would be millionaires, and all of our rich would be lazy.

 

Jobs solve poverty. Investment of capital creates jobs. Return on investment motivates capitalists to invest their capital which creates jobs which solves poverty.

 

Giving people lots of free stuff and thinking that will motivate them to suddenly start working to pay for the stuff they are already getting for free ignores human nature

 

So is hunger a cure for starvation ?

 

Giving generous tax breaks and tax rebates to companies who keep moving jobs out of the country is about the same thing. It's against human nature since corporations are people you know.

 

Exactly, that's stupid logic.

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lmao as if there were only two options.

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So productivity solves poverty. Seems legit. Maybe we should finance things that improve productivity.

 

In this political climate, there are only two options--slave quarters on the plantation or the liberating effects of having nothing.

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They only get the tax break as long as they keep the money they generate out of the country as well. Otherwise it is a 35% tax rate on it. So, do you want some of that money to come back into circulation in the US or do you want none of it to come back into circulation in the US?

 

The right VASTLY overestimates how many people want to be doing this, and don't allow for a rising tide to lift people up. Do it yourself or you're scum is the attitude.

 

As a person that identifies as having right leaning thoughts, I don't want people to starve. What I do want is limited support.

If you are receiving benefits from the local, state, or federal governments you should get
A. Enough basic food to live on.
B. A dwelling that keeps you warm, dry, and cool.
C. A phone mounted to a wall in the dinning area.

It constantly amazes me when people that have no job, and get assistance have new large screen TVs, new cars, the latest smartphone, and all kinds of bling. People have lived for thousands of years without TVs, Cars, and smartphones......they need to also. Maybe that would motivate people to get a job.

 

<Rule 3> They aren't hungry.

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Nope.
Hunger is the cure for lazy.

Nice try, but fail

 

Obviously poverty is NOT the cure for poverty.

Unfortunately, for too many Americans...the poverty issue resolves itself thusly:

"I've got mine...screw you."

I suspect we will see an expansion of that mindset during the next several years...

...with lots of people claiming that doing so is making America great again.

 

An overlooked element of poverty and economics is the family unit.

 

Apparently, the only metric the Left uses for their measure of success is how many people they can get on the dole.

 

Pff! Relative to a billionaire you're poor. He thinks the same thing about you.

 

Work is a cure for both.

 

The right believes in independence and value in the family unit. Liberals have been dismantling this core element.

The right believes in family, religion, and the justice of people to carry them through tough times. Not the dole.

 

Which "right"? Libertarian right, or social conservative right, or populist right? They are very, very different.

 

lmao do you even realize that that means you're agreeing with me?

 

Most of those are the people I'm referring to. While they're not exactly the same they have lot of overlap in interest.

 

Sort of...all endorse capitalism sure. My libertarian friends cannot stand religion or the people obsessed by it. My populist right friends want the same things I want economically, but differ on BLM and SJW policies, etc. I don't have any social conservative friends haha.

 

I suspect we will deeply disagree on the process by which you go about making someone suffer.

I believe the difference between us is a debate you're not prepared or able to win.

 

Hah, but yeah you see they have very similar interests economically.

Most my friends are liberals, actually. I make my opinion readily available for them

I'm very secular, in fact, i want the republican platform on social issues changed.