Preparing the election system for poll workers who think it's rigged

Preparing the election system for poll workers who think it's rigged

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/02/1095...-system-for-poll-workers-who-think-its-rigged

I listened to it on NPR yesterday. Interesting piece, here is a key part:

"But some people attending tonight have been thinking a lot about the insider threat to election systems since 2020; people like Teresa De Graaf, a Republican. She's the clerk for Port Sheldon Township here in Ottawa County. And she says she has gotten poll worker applications from people she calls radicals, people who believe the lie that the 2020 election was stolen. De Graaf says she's already turned down two of them for poll worker jobs because she got the feeling they had ulterior motives.

TERESA DE GRAAF: They come in, and they want to be part of the process. But then they start spouting their beliefs and how the election was rigged and how they want to be part of the process because of that. But you can actually tell that their ultimate goal is maybe to create some chaos and to prove their point."

So, it looks like we are facing the threat of radical Trump supporters to undermine the election system from bottom up, by either creating havoc (mistrust) in the elections, or by, possibly, trying to change them to favor Trump.

This is a problem, and I am glad that reasonable Republican election officials are stepping up to combat it, unless they are replaced with Trump loyalists, of course, which seems to be happening everywhere.

 

The answer is to bring in a third party, an unelected party, to forensically analyze close voting results. Our democracy, what little there is of it in American government, wholly depends on free and fair elections. Notice how hypocritical politicians who drone on about ensuring 'our democracy' don't want to ensure our elections are free and fair. We need a third party to validate close election results because there's this incentive for county and state election officials to verify the results of 'their' elections so they can be reelected. Election officials who don't verify 'their' elections are free and fair don't stand much of a chance of being reelected, IMO.

Yes, and permanently do away with pandemic rules elections. Permanently do away with any voting that can't be verified by a poll worker before the vote is cast. Like drop boxes and online voting, for examples.

Two somewhat recent questions about our elections have cropped up in American government which vitally need answers to even there is no proof to even investigate said questions:
(1) Did the Trump campaign work with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election?
Well, we spent over 2 years investigating this realizing there was nothing to this charge.
(2) Was the pandemic rules election in 2020 free from fraud?
Well, no time was spent on investigating this because there was no proof of fraud (notice the stark difference between this issue and the issue after the 2016 election). Furthermore, state and county elections officials were tasked with validating their 2020 pandemic rules elections even though there was no way state and county election officials could (1) verify votes they hadn't personally been able to screen before the vote was made and (2) state and county election officials wanted to be reelected.

 

If a person thinks that the system is rigged, for whatever reason, then that person, paid or volunteer, really should not be considered as a poll worker or even a poll watcher.

 

Some folks keep trying punish others for wrong thoughts.

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The ‘cabal’ that bragged of foisting Joe Biden on us must answer for his failed presidency.

 

You want a third party, ask Canada or England.

 

An op-ed piece that provides a viewpoint that the Biden Admistration has failed in its first year is no indication that the election system is rigged.

Those that think no absentee or mail-in ballots should be used in presidential elections because that rigs the election system, those that provide conspiracy theories on how Joe Biden won in 2020 or how DJT won in 2016, those who want to continue the continued lawsuits for the 2020 election results, those who think that only white, caucasian, Christians should be voting in our elections, those that want to make sure no minority is allowed to vote because they might be "illegal," are the ones I am talking about who really should not be a pole watcher, volunteer, or worker in any election: local, state, or federal.

 

You mean like the Scottish Independence Party?

 

First it's "POLL" not "POLE"
Second - I notice that it's often the folks that lie about the motivations of others and slander with a broad brush that also lament the overall loss of civility.

Be the Citizen that you want others to be.

 

Preventing people who openly support conspiracy theories and who want to undermine the integrity of elections with the only goal to install their great leader into office for life isn't "punishing others for wrong thoughts". It's being prudent with preserving the most basic function of our democracy.

 

As usual some on the Left wish to punish "wrong-think" and support their illegitimate attempts to marginalize others by dishonestly attributing goals to them. I'm confident that more and more of the Left will steadily give up their absolutist positions and rejoin the social society.

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There is a time to laugh and a time to dance.
A time to heal and a time to build.
A time to plant and a time to pick.
A time to gather and a time to embrace.
A time to mend and a time to speak.

Let's use this time of Cinco De Mayo to reflect on ways that we can more clearly understand the views and positions of those that disagree with us.

 

There is a reason why election workers are quizzed and trained, and why they can be dismissed if they are found to violate code of conduct. Or, do you think anyone, no matter how crazy, should just be able to walk in and start counting votes according to their own rules? Do you think someone openly believing that the 2020 election was stolen would be a impartial election worker?

 

Learn to ask a legitimate question and you'll find that you get more reasonable answers,

Florida Democrats Terrified of ‘Unstoppable’ DeSantis.

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No ideological tests for poll workers.

 

So you do think that.

 

For starters, that is exactly what Richard B Spencer wants the US to be. He is literally, on record, wanting the United States to be a white, Christian, and in his viewpoint of a "conservative" should be. It is what white Nationalists want, quite literally. And on the flip side, Malcom X is quite literally a Black Nationalist from his own words. And I don't want him or his group either to be a poll watch, volunteer, or worker. But the point was that those who have a preconceived notion and truly believe that Biden Stole the Election or thatt Trump stole the election in 2016 are exactly the type of people you do not want in an honest election. That accounts for about 90% of the voting population I might add.

What I do want is the job comes first, with honest, integrity, and professionalism, even if you are a volunteer. you can have opinioins about things, but not die hard beliefs that you are willing to violate laws to make sure those beliefs come true. That is why I used those who want to continue the lawsuits of the 2020 election.

 

I am glad there are no ideological tests for poll workers. Second, if a poll worker finds that a DeSantis supporter and coworker was actively trying to sway the election, then I want that coworker to blow the whistle and no get fired, threatened, or even prosecuted by DeSantis if that hypothetical comes true. It works both ways here Zorro.

 

If Republicans care so much about election fraud, why aren't the demanding a re-do in Florida where a GOP operative paid to rig the election with a ghost candidate?

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...idate-pleads-guilty-election-case/5593843001/

 

So people who want to make sure with their own eyes that the system works are the ones to be scared of.

I would think you’d welcome them being able to see just how flawless and foolproof it is so they can be convinced all their fears are unjustified.

Instead, you’re scared S-less that a few cynical workers is all it’ll take to rig what you and all the Libs say is un-riggable.

How ridiculously fake of you.

 

Never heard of him. If you have a problem with him, why are you dragging me into when I have zero interest.

They both sound like nut balls. Seek out people who are balanced.

Take it up with whoever selects poll watchers.

Sounds like an overwhelming majority.

Whatever.

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Look for balance in all things. In poll workers, and in your investments. Be like water.

 

So instead we're going to get the people who arent honest enough to admit they're worried about fraud and/or are smart enough to know they would never get accepted by being honest.

Either way its sliced, ideological discrimination never has its intended effect...

 

Your problem will be that it won't take a genius to figure out that those that spout it, don't get the job. And these people will be coached by somebody with the same agenda soon enough to be a lot more careful.

We have very big problem coming in three years.

 

That is true. Plus, Trump loyalists will be installed in many positions that oversee the election process. They will hire election workers BECAUSE they believe in the big steal and want to make sure that, this time around, Trump will win.

I never thought that it would take just one charlatan to pretty much bring our system to its knees. A system that so many smart and decent people have worked to generate and maintain over many decades. I guess being a German by birth, I should have known better (I know, I know, Godwin's law....).

 

Heeding Steve Bannon’s Call, Election Deniers Organize to Seize Control of the GOP — and Reshape America’s Elections

One of the loudest voices urging Donald Trump’s supporters to push for overturning the presidential election results was Steve Bannon. “We’re on the point of attack,” Bannon, a former Trump adviser and far-right nationalist, pledged on his popular podcast on Jan. 5. “All hell will break loose tomorrow.” The next morning, as thousands massed on the National Mall for a rally that turned into an attack on the Capitol, Bannon fired up his listeners: “It’s them against us. Who can impose their will on the other side?”

When the insurrection failed, Bannon continued his campaign for his former boss by other means. On his “War Room” podcast, which has tens of millions of downloads, Bannon said President Trump lost because the Republican Party sold him out. “This is your call to action,” Bannon said in February, a few weeks after Trump had pardoned him of federal fraud charges.
https://www.propublica.org/article/...rol-of-the-gop-and-reshape-americas-elections

They are the Orange Insurrectionist's army..........and they're coming for democracy.

 

Then you need to read more, get out more, etc. He, along with Malcolm X has been around a long time, in the news, among other things. Both of them supported DJT in 2016 but abandoned DJT in 2020. The reason why they both supported DJT was his "American First" program, or at leasth what they thought they believed was American First. However, the reason why I included him in my response was the fact that they are one of the groups in that list I first gave.

That is what we are trying to prevent, the "nut balls" as you put it. Yet, you also made the claim when you said, "motivations of others and slander with a broad brush that also lament the overall loss of civility." Seems to be you are backpedaling from your original claim there Zorro.

And yet, you were the one who make exxagerated claims there Zorro in your first response. Perhaps you should practice what you "preach."

So, what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

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Warning: This will not be a very cheery or optimistic reply .
I used to believe that if something somehow to just shut Trump up, an illness, a jail term, death whatever, then we might get back to normal. But this white nationalist version of fascism-lite that has spread using the entire Republican establishment as its vector, will not die even if Trump does. Its the political equivalent of HIV and it just keeps on hitting us with opportunistic infections impacting every political organ and institution of this country from the local elections commissions to the Supreme Court. It has spread through every county, in every red or purple state. Its insidious and I think its likely to kill this democracy. I don't have the answer and I don't see anyone else who does .

I warned you, it wasn't a post to read with your morning coffee and danish

 

Why do republicans pretend like being part of the process is going to change their minds? Maricopa County affirmed Biden's victory, and yet republicans are still believers in the great lie.