President Biden won't pardon son Hunter, White House says

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    And this, folks, is what Presidential integrity looks like.

    Trump pardoned most of his cronies, and promised to pardon most of the 1/6 criminals.

    Not Biden, he has integrity.

    When Barr appointed Trump appointed US Attorney Delaware David Weiss to investigate Hunter Biden, for three years under Trump, and when Joe took over, he allowed Weiss to continue into the investigation of his own son for another two years without constraint and continues, to this day , despite the fact that the norm is that when a new administration comes in, it is routine for a president to replace all the US Attorneys. Biden also allowed Durham to finish his investigation, which was essentially a bust, apparently, defying original claims that 'heads would rolls' none rolled anywhere,.

    Trump wouldn't have done that, he would have fired him just as he fired Preet Bharara and Jim Comey because they refused to weaponize their departments to do the Presidents bidding. Trump even declared if he is elected, he would intervene to make sure Joe and Democrats are prosecuted.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/trum...iden-crime-family-upon-regaining-white-house/

    All this talk about Joe being 'corrupt' and weaponizing the DOJ just doesn't reflect the actual facts of his deeds. In fact, it is Trump, not Biden, who is the weaponizer. Regarding Hunter's business deals, not one document produced thus far lists Joe Biden as an officer in any of the LLCs, or is any bank document names Joe Biden as the beneficiary. It's all speculation.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-biden-wont-pardon-son-190411077.html

    WASHINGTON − You can end any speculation about a possible Hunter Biden pardon.

    The White House ruled out President Joe Biden using his presidential authority to pardon his son Hunter, who is set to plead guilty to misdemeanor tax and gun charges.

    "No," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Thursday when asked whether there is any possibility Biden would pardon Hunter Biden, putting to rest a theory pushed by conservative critic
     
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    Since the charges are misdemeanors, I don't think it calls for President Biden to spend any of his political capital to pardon Hunter Biden.

    The penalty is what? A $50 fee and repayment of back taxes?
     
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    As far as 'corrupt' Joe Biden, these accusations come from the time of the Obama administration. Back when old Joe was just learning to be corrupt from the Clintons and was still an amateur. He made mistakes, didn't cover his tracks, and we're learning now what happened as the investigation continues.
     
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    Biden wouldn't have to pardon his son because the fix is in.
     
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    Hunter's plea deal will be renegotiated, he will likely never spend a day in prison. People with power, money and political capital can almost always outlast the American justice system. The Trump Admin had 3 years to railroad Hunter and his Dad and use it in the 2020 Nov election. Nothing came of it and now it's the same recycled B/S is just being respun and offered as new counter programming to "create" a false equivalenency that Trump is desperate for. Trump Party dirty and DESPERATE politics....
     
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  7. Patricio Da Silva

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    Did you wander onto the wrong topic? Sad!

    Joe Biden walks the path of impeachment with Hunter’s sweetheart plea deal in jeopardy.

    https://nypost.com/2023/07/29/joe-b...ith-hunters-sweetheart-plea-deal-in-jeopardy/

    'The collapse of the sweetheart deal' Dirtbag 'Garland’s Department of 'Justice' tried to give Hunter Biden marks a pivotal moment in the hunt for the truth about the family’s influence-peddling schemes.'

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    Bribed Betrayer Of The American People.

    'Not content to let Hunter skip jail on two serious tax charges and a gun charge that should have been treated as three felonies,' Dirtbag 'Garland’s flunkies secretly tucked in a broad immunity gift as well.'
     
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    We've been reading the other thread on the same exact thing for 2 days now.

    Should you tell us why anyone should actually believe that he won't do it when he's on his way out the door?

    The guy has already proven he has no problems lying to the American public even to his adoring fans that blindly voted for him
     
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    There isn't going to be an impeachment, simply because there is no evidence.
     
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    Wow, even for an opinion piece, this is wildly wrong.

    There was no immunity deal. The government prosecutors have never said nor did the deal include that. Hunter's lawyers want that because typically when you plead guilty to something it's avoid prosecution. That disagreement was one reason the judge wouldn't accept it. Not the BS spewed by the Post.

    The second reason she rejected the deal was because it would have made her responsible for filing charges if the plea deal wasn't upheld. Judges don't file charges. They don't determine who gets charged and who doesn't. At the Federal level, the Executive branch does aka the US prosecutor. So the judge was saying that she doesn't have that power and she seems right.

    Neither of these two reasons amount to anything that the NY Post said. Neither of these things benefit Hunter Biden other than he has to either renegotiate the deal or go to trial.
     
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    You're still lost. What is being contemplated is an impeachment inquiry. The purpose of an impeachment inquiry would be to compel evidence production,

    So, if someone in the Administration, gets even more stupid and tries to withhold evidence, then the House may very well take a vote to determine if 218 members support taking it to the next level, in order compel compliance with House oversight.
     
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    He should do it. Who would complain? Trump voters who didn’t mind when he pardoned all his campaign staff only if they refused to cooperate with the DOJ?
     
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    There is an abundance of evidence that Burisma paid Hunter to get rid of any criminal cases in Ukraine against Burisma and its owner and one month later Joe was threatening Ukraine with losing US aid unless the current prosecutor investigating Burisma was fired. He was fired, his replacement closed the case against Burisma.

    What they allege in impeachment that Trump had done, Joe was actually guilty of. Trump delayed aid in an attempt to expose government corruption in Ukraine for the benefit of Ukraine and the US providing aid. Joe threatened to withdraw aid in attempt to cover up that same corruption in Ukraine because the Bidens were being paid to do so.
     
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    Good lord…..

    1. Biden went after that prosecutor because he WASN’T prosecuting corruption.

    2. Trumps call with Ukrain was ONLY about getting dirt on Biden for the election. Thats why its never been released….
     
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    He was THE prosecutor in office, less than a year who was investigating corruption at Burisma, intending to interview Devon Archer and Hunter on the board of Burisma. You wont find anything published before Biden had the prosecutor fired, alleging the Prosecutor wasnt prosecuting corruption, with an abundance of such claims after the fact, usually in defense of Biden having the prosecutor investigating the company his son served on the board of directors, fired.

    In March 2014, the UK and Northern Ireland Serious Fraud Bureau launched an investigation into the Zlochevsky criminal case, suspecting him of laundering $35 million. At the same time, Zlochevsky, according to Ukrainian investigators and journalists, contacted U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State John Kerry and suggested they share the profits of the Ukrainian gas producer Burisma Group.

    British investigative journalist Oliver claimed that at about the same time (in March 2014) that Biden's son Hunter received an offer to take the position of board member of Burisma. Biden Jr. was appointed Member of the Board of Burisma on May 12, 2014. In addition to him, Alexander Kwasniewski, Alan Apter and Devon Archer were appointed.

    In total, according to our data from the report of the financial investigation unit of Latvia, in favor of two shell companies, as well as Alexander Kwasniewski, Alan Apter, Devon Archer and Hunter Biden, Burisma paid at least $16.5 million....
    And secondly, in the case file that was handed to me, there is evidence that Joe Biden probably received the money personally through a lobbying company. According to the investigation, he received a hidden fee from the Burisma Group for lobbying activities.

    Money in the amount of more than $900,000 was transferred to the account of the American company Rosemont Seneca Partners, associated with Biden Jr. - Hunter. Reason for payment was consulting services.
    MP Andriy Derkach: 'NABU Leaks' is the key for salvaging Ukraine-U.S. relations (interfax.com.ua)
     
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    Devon Archer testified Monday that Hunter Biden and top executives of Burisma Holdings "called D.C." in 2015 to ask the Obama administration to help fire the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating the firm, a source familiar with his testimony told Fox News Digital.

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    Archer said Zlochevsky and Pozharski "placed constant pressure on Hunter Biden to get help from D.C." in getting Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin ousted. Shokin was investigating Burisma for corruption.

    According to the source, Archer testified that in December 2015, Hunter Biden, Zlochevsky and Pozharski "called D.C." to discuss the matter. Archer testified that Biden, Zlochevsky and Pozharski stepped away to take make the call.

    Devon Archer: Hunter Biden, Burisma execs ‘called DC’ to get Ukrainian prosecutor fired | Fox News
     
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    https://www.axios.com/2019/05/07/ukraine-biden-rudy-giuliani-new-york-times
     
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    There is no evidence. But the evidence against Trump is clear.
    Produce the 'evidence' please.
     
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    Nice try, he obviously got to close to exposing the Bidens.

    In a letter dated June 9, 2015, then-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland wrote "We have been impressed with the ambitious reform and anti-corruption agenda of your government" in a letter that was delivered to the prosecutor two days.

    Nuland wrote that "Secretary Kerry asked me to reply on his behalf" to let Shokin know "he enjoyed the full support of the United States as he set out to fight endemic corruption in the former Soviet republic," Just The News wrote.

    "The ongoing reform of your office, law enforcement, and the judiciary will enable you to investigate and prosecute corruption and other crimes in an effective, fair, and transparent manner," Nuland added. "The United States fully supports your government's efforts to fight corruption and other crimes in an effective, fair and transparent manner."

    F-2021-04113 -- FL-2021-00525 December 2021 Production.pdf (justthenews.com)
     
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    Not to mention that Shokin was appointed to office in Feb 2015 and in November 2015 the Burisma owner was contacting with Hunter to-

    "The scope of work should also include organization of a visit of a number of widely recognized and influential current and/or former US policy-makers to Ukraine in November aiming to conduct meetings with and bring positive signal/message and support on Nikolay's issue to the Ukrainian top officials above with the ultimate purpose to close down for any cases/pursuits against Nikolay in Ukraine.
    Re: Revised Burisma Proposal, Contract and Invoice (bidenlaptopemails.com)

    And one month later in December Joe was in Ukraine to have the prosecutor investigating Burisma fired. The prosecutor who replaced him closed the case.
    And now we have Devon Archer confirming the arrangement and payments.
     
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    ^^This, folks, is what blind, thoughtless loyalty, and ultra-partisan looks lite. ^^
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Weasel words are not an argument.
     
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    And yet you posted a lengthy compilation of them in the OP.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Weasel words are generalities that disallow coherent thought. None of that in the OP.

    Learn your terms.

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