President Musevini (Uganda) signs anti-gay law

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  1. sec

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    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/24/uganda-president-signs-strict-anti-gay-law/

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    Uganda's president signed an anti-gay bill Monday that provides for prison sentences ranging up to life behind bars, saying it is needed because the West is promoting homosexuality in Africa. Arrests of gays were expected as a result, one politician said.

    The new law goes into effect immediately and calls for first-time offenders to be sentenced to 14 years in jail. It sets life imprisonment as the maximum penalty for "aggravated homosexuality," defined as repeated gay sex between consenting adults and acts involving a minor, a disabled person or where one partner is infected with HIV.


    OK, this one is silly. Since there is no way to test for "gayness" I bet this law is just a way for the ruling party to imprison their political opponents or those who will not offer "tribute" to the political elite. (if you've never done business in these backwater nations "paying tribute" is just that, YOU PAY)

    But, Uganda is a sovereign nation and can pass any law they wish.
     
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    You must be so happy. Are you popping open bottles of champagne? Isn't it wonderful for you to see people you don't like jailed for life?
     
  3. hseiken

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    Maybe he wishes they'd adopt the execution policies of even stricter nations. :\

    I mean, to him, you made the choice to be gay, just like a criminal chooses to rob your house. Pffft...I keep challenging sec to go be gay, make that choice. They haven't done it yet, so it obviously must be a very difficult choice...or maybe...it's not a choice at all. ;)
     
  4. sec

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    huh?

    I am consistent. I do not support extending protected class status to those who have homosexual sex. First, it's absolutely idiotic to make rules based upon how one has sex. Next, there is no medical test so the only way to prove the homosexual sex occurs is to follow people into their bedrooms.

    This law in Uganda is useless because they cannot prove one is homosexual. My hunch is that it will be used to target political enemies.

    With respect to celebrating, why would I do that? It's not my business nor the business of anyone else how each of us chooses to have sex. That also includes that we don't need to hear "coming out" press conferences.

    A backward law from a backward nation

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    ooo ooo

    or maybe it is a choice. Neither of us can be proven. By the way, try and address the topic and not another forum member
     
  5. hseiken

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    Ummmm...no. Because again, you have a gay person in this thread. And you're asserting you know more about their sexuality than they themselves do. That is absurd. So...yeah. Enjoy your gay RSS feed. It's really gay.
     
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    And liberals could care less because the gays in that country don't vote in the US. This just proves the liberal prove are stirring all the pro gay propaganda up to get votes for the floundering democrat party. Where is the outrage from them on this law?
     
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    again you are losing the audience. Please try and stay on topic. The thread is fact based about a newly signed law in Uganda.
     
  8. hseiken

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    I can't help but think you are the ultimate troll and don't really believe the stuff you post, especially from your ambiguous stance on the issue. It doesn't concern you what they do, yet every post from you is something that affects gay people. Which is it? The only reason I chime in on these threads is to point to the core fundamental belief you hold is completely wrong therefore all of your arguments are (*)(*)(*)(*).

    As well, concerning this law, you mentioned you don't think gay people should get special treatment. If that's the case, you should be for gay marriage so that marriage isn't treated different between what you consider a choice, you should be for banning gay discrimination in the work place, etc.

    But instead you seem ill bent on painting gay people as immoral, stupid, etc. And this is completely confusing because, again, you think it's a choice. So this law in essence is lawful persecution of something that's not a choice at all. The only thing it's going to do is closet everyone who's gay but it's not going to suddenly turn people straight. But I imagine a lot of gay people are going to have to endure relationships that mean absolutely nothing to them, engage in sexual activity that's unnatural for them all so they don't get sent up the river. You can't legislate the gay out of someone.
     
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    Uganda has moved one step closer to being the Religious Right's idea of "Heaven on Earth".

    These so-called "Christian churches" have poured enormous amounts of the USA's tax free money into government murder of and jailing of people for nothing.

    Don't fool yourself they do not want to do the same in the USA to ANYONE who wants to live differently from the way THEY demand.
     
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    But hasn't anyone told Uganda about the phony polls and supreme court decisions? Hahahaha!

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    But hasn't anyone told Uganda about the phony polls and supreme court decisions? Hahahaha!
     
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    Isn't it lovely the sort of people that right-wingers are in bed with?
    They get leg tingles for Putin. They root for the terrorists just to stick it to Obama. Now they're having orgasms about the gay bashing in Arizona and the gay pogroms in Uganda.
    Maybe they should all move to Uganda and and enjoy their gay-free paradise.
     
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    Except that by marriage is not real marriage.

    Only a man and a woman can form areal marriage.

    Anything else is perversion.
     
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    Although your post drips of cynicism as usual, I agree that his political opponents will suffer under this law just as much as actual homosexuals. Just screaming "he's gay!" is probably easier than fabricating evidence for treason or something.

    OT maybe, but there's something seriously wrong with that statement. Nazi Germany was a sovereign nation, too.
     
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    When did Uganda invade Poland?
     
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    Your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing point being? Isn't that politics and rights movement 101? To focus in your home country? Last time I checked, American liberals and conservatives are more focused on problems in their own backyard, because people in general really don't give a hoot about what is going on at the other side of the ocean unless it directly affects them.

    Also; to answer your question. http://www.advocate.com/world/2014/02/25/lgbt-ugandans-attacked-tabloid-lists-top-200-homos

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    Let's say if they hadn't started a war and instead settled on only mass-murdering within the nation's borders, would that be okay?
    Would you say "meh, it was their business"?

    As I said, it's OT. I didn't want to derail sec's solidarity statement for the gays of Uganda.
     
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    Ok as in no one would have invaded Germany to stop it?

    If you know anything about history you know the answer to that.

    In this case libs do not respect the democrat process if the process does not give them at they want.

    Eric holder and his Dear Leader Obama are playing that game in America who the claim that laws don't matter.
     
  18. sec

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    you can't make that assumption. Now, if you prefaced the sentence with "in my opinion", then that would be fine.

    As i stated, I believe that there is more evil intent to this law than to target those who choose homosexual sex. I believe that it's to target political enemies
     
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    hmm, why not ask the Syrians, or those in Darfur or the Central African Republic .........................whoops, and that's under your guys watch.

    Or, is life only important when it's the life of a homosexual?
     
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    africa... where they believe you get rid of aids by screwing the aids out of you into little boys..... and the world wonders why they pass such harsh anti-gay laws
     
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    All perfectly good examples. You're free to criticize some of my country's foreign politics, I would even join you in it.
    Only it sounded a bit like you have the opinion that once a country is sovereign, its laws are above criticism. Apologies if I misunderstood you.

    Those two go hand in hand. Both are based on rampant superstition.
    I know you meant something different, but you made a good point.
     
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    Floundering? You are going to eat those words come 2016.
     
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    He is making that argument in regards to foreign laws. Read his first post.

    We established the UN quite a few decades ago to combat just that. We have the ICC. We, as a 21st century society and union of nations, have made the pledge to take on taking on countries who violate the human right's of their citizens. We have an obligation to make sure Uganda doesn't discriminate against it's citizens. And I'm perfectly OK with that. That's the social contract you sign by residing in a 1st world nation.
     
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    Thanks, but I got that. As I wrote, I do not agree with the notion of "their country, their laws, not our problem".
     
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    that's not what I was suggesting. I'm suggesting there is a reason for such a huge kickback against the gay agenda. I would argue that they are weilding the heavy hand because of issues like I suggested, boy rape, to cure aids.


    the answer is in education.... but something still has to be done in the present, to at least try and deter the gay pedophiles
     

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