President Trump Speaks From The Hospital

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The health of the president is not political. The election prediction polls have nothing to do with the health of the president.

    You are very close to going into iggy. Do you ever offer anything except spew?
     
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    It wasn't political before Trump.

    We are dealing here with a President who has transgressed all limits, who has no respect for anyone with opinions contrary to his own, who has insulted hundreds of people and who has tarnished the position he holds.

    What did he say when Mitt Romney quarantined himself?



    And I'm the one who's despicable?
     
  3. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not despicable. You are blinded by partisanship.

    I don't care about Donald Trump, but we have to protect the president. This should never be in dispute.
     
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    Covid45 is still hospitalized and getting experimental drugs, he’s not up to the job. Seems obvious we need to vote for the healthy candidate and not damaged goods. He should take as much time hospitalized as he needs.
     
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    Of course it is, why do you think they release medical statements? We need to know the president is physically up to the job. It’s clear Covid45 is not.
     
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    He has been a danger to society and law since puberty and possibly before if he was a late developer.
     
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    If you truly believe Trump in any way responsible for a single COVID death, you’re delusional. That means Obama is responsible for every flu death that happened over his 8 yrs. 10s of 1000s per year, that’s a lot of deaths Obama should have prevented! Obama could have quarantined the country and saved all those lives if he actually cared. Right? Why didn’t he do anything? I guess if you’re not seeing death reports every week from the flu it’s not really happening?

    Trump couldn’t legally prevent people from leaving their homes or force anyone to wear a mask no matter how much you wished he could have. Then again, you would have called him a dictator fascist if he did as the country completely imploded into mass food riots and anarchy, because that’s what wouod have happened if Leftists had their way. But I guess they wouod have forced all the farmers and food manufacturers to work and risk their lives.

    Look at how well LA and NYC are doing, along with all the rest of burning cities. ALL Leftist paradises.
     
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  8. Grey Matter

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    How about we ask our allies how they feel about Trump?
     
  9. Steve N

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    How about if you ask me if I care about how our allies feel? They only seem to care when we’re writing them checks.
     
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  10. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait, do you really care how foreigners feel about your president? Who are you loyal to?
     
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    Bob Woodard's recordings say otherwise.

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    I will not get into a debate with a guy who believes that Trump has no power to protect the American people in the face of a pandemic.

    Your level of intoxication with Trump's personality cult is too high.
     
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    Lol they put out pics of him signing blank paper with a sharpie. Probably took those before he started to feel bad. We don’t even know he’s alive.
     
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    wtf?

    Prove it.
     
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    Trump is a traitor to the US.

    He has fractured the US alliance with our allies, abrogated treaties and commitments, all while conducting himself in a manner toward Putin that Neville Chamberlain would perhaps have found an opportunity to criticize.

    He has politicized the DOJ in an unprecedented manner and has proven that the US Constitution provides no enforcement mechanism for an impeachment inquiry by the House and its sole authority to do so.

    He should be locked up in ADX Florence rather than occupying the White House or Walter Reed Hospital.

    The chaos you claim to have had enough of has been caused by none other than Donald J. Trump.

    When Russia violates the INF, the correct response is to tighten sanctions, not to abrogate the Treaty because the other side is not abiding by it.

    US security concerns are not enhanced by developing the Pershing III Intermediate Range Hypersonic Nuclear Missile, or whatever similar platform the MIC decides will profit it the most.

    Trump, ending our forever wars.... Sure he is.

    Lock Him Up.
     
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  15. Steve N

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    Do you know what a photo op is? It’s when the wife of a presidential candidate hands out food in Mexico, or when a presidential candidate literally escorts illegals across the border, or when politicians give a woman abusing career drug addict criminal three nationally televised funerals.

    But your president wrote on a piece of paper.
     
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    I was happy to see the president speaking non-stop for 4 minutes without any cough or shortness of breath. It's been reported that he went 24hrs without a fever and had a pulse ox of 96%. Yes, the next few days are critical as some people have mild symptoms at first then rapidly take a turn for the worse around days 4-7, up to day 10. But see, these people usually remain symptomatic with cough, fever, and some mild shortness of breath, in a sort of plateau that remains relatively unchanged. Then, yes, pulse ox suddenly starts dropping and all hell breaks lose.

    The physiology of this change from mild/moderate to severe symptoms, has to do with the phases of the illness. Initially we get the replication of the virus in the upper respiratory and lower respiratory tract/lungs. This is why people are congested with some shortness of breath, febrile, and coughing. The replication of the virus and rupture of the cells that contain the replicated viruses releases toxins and irritants and people get a fever and congestion/cough.

    Then the virus does two things: overwhelms the defenses and triggers a cytokine storm, and attacks the endothelium of the small capillaries everywhere including in the lungs, which start filling up with fluid resulting in dramatic drop in oxygen levels. Also, hypercoagulation ensues. We are then in the severe phase, which can cause myocarditis, renal insufficiency, neurological problems with encephalitis, consolidation in the lungs, disseminated intravascular coagulation, and ultimately respiratory and multi-organ failure, and death.

    So, the president is being treated with melatonin which modulates the interleukin system (which, if dysfunctional, triggers the cytokine storm), famotidine, vitamin D, and zinc, which all three inhibit viral replication; he received a polyclonal antibody cocktail which targets the S-protein that the virus needs to infect human cells, and remdesivir which strongly inhibits viral replication and lowers viral load.

    If the president went from needing oxygen on Friday and having a fever, cough, and shortness of breath, to 24hs of no fever, no shortness of breath, no cough, and no need for oxygen, it means he is RESPONDING to the treatment and his viral load is probably dropping with the virus having trouble replicating. Someone with this hospital course usually continues to improve and in about ten days is completely out of the woods. I'm predicting a full recovery.

    Could it still go wrong? Yes. But I find it unlikely, if two days of treatments have already resulted in no fever, no shortness of breath, and no cough.

    Be well, Mr. President! I'm rooting for you and for your wife.

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    Could this video clip be somewhat over-optimistic? Say, the president had several fits of cough and they kept trying to record the video in several attempts interrupted by coughing so they deleted those, gave him oxygen, waited for him to breath a little better, and then were finally able to get a 4-minute stretch in which he looked well. Possible? Sure. Likely? No.

    Is it possible that they are lying and he has a high fever and his pulse ox has been slowly dropping? I guess it's possible.

    Is it likely? Absolutely not. It would be very hard for someone who isn't doing well with Covid-19, to keep up for 4 full minutes talking non-stop and displaying no shortness of breath whatsoever.

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    Is the president incapacitated to discharge the duties of the office? Absolutely not. Suggesting it is utterly absurd. He is obviously well, speaking with no difficulty, and thinking clearly, so just because he is in a hospital, it doesn't mean he can't call cabinet members on the phone, call his chief of staff, hold teleconferences, and make decisions if needed.

    Now if God forbid the president does take a turn for the worse and gets intubated for invasive ventilation and gets a medically-induced coma to prevent his fighting off the ventilator, then of course Vice-President Pence should take over the presidential duties. But to suggest that this Trump who talked to us for 4 minutes with full lucidity, is incapacitated, is utterly ridiculous.
     
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  17. Grey Matter

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    You don't care how our allies feel about the US and Trump?

    You ought to, do you have a clue the world of schitt the US will be in if the dollar loses its place as the world reserve currency?

    If our allies withhold intelligence exchange because Putin's puppet occupies the Oval Office?
     
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    Damn sure not the guy who asked Russia if they were listening to release the emails. The guy who said he loved Wikileaks - don't you love Wikileaks?
     
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  19. Steve N

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    The people who are literally supporting China, the people who gave us a deadly virus, are now worried about the dollar losing its place as the world’s reserve currency. Why don’t you stop supporting the racist, oppressive, slave running, anti American communists in China? All you guys do is defend them
     
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    I asked you who you’re loyal and you can’t answer

    That tells me all I need to know about you.
     
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    Massive fail. I'm not the guy that supports China. Your man in the Oval is the one with manufacturing in China, patents in China, tariffs against US companies that have all but destroyed US agriculture businesses.
     
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    Happy to disappoint you.
     
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    So you’re on record of being against China and their racism, slave labor and currency manipulation? You’re going to denounce Nike and the NBA isn’t as strongly? I doubt it, you’lol do what you’re told.
     
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    So who are you loyal to, China, Iran or Cuba?
     
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    ~ They likely are not happy with the Chinese Communist Party. The majority of people are not obsessed with Trump hate syndrome .
     

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