http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument) Not that I care much for international law, where does it say that they owned they land?
they conquered it during WW1. there was no law invalidating the acquisition of territory by war, back in 1917.
We didn't own it. We had Mandatory responsibilities http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mandate3.html and http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/palestine_1918_to_1948.htm The McMahon Agreement http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mcmahon.htm I trust everyone is aware of The Balfour Declaration.
nevertheless, the Mandate Powers decided and the League of Nations agreed to allow mass Jewish immigration to Palestine to create a Jewish homeland.
They Did not own it. That is important as that is frequently said to make improper suggestions. With regard to what you say there. Art 2 The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. Art 6. The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. [/quote] http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp so no, not mass immigration. The Palestinians, all of them, Jews, Muslims and Christians were expecting Independence. No one knows what possessed the Brits of the time to come up with the concept of a National Home for Jews, it was very deliberately not, not least at the demands of British and American Jews themselves the granting of a Jewish State......and most Jews really did not want to go there anyway. The Brit's (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up big time.
With certain conditions which Jewish terrorists gangs ignored and carried out a program (Plan Dalet ) to drive out /dispossess/display non-Jewish Palestinians Never the less , its NEVER as simpletons believe it to be : Here's an extract from first hit - wiki : "The League of Nations granted Britain a mandate over Palestine as part of the Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire following World War I. A British census of 1918 estimated 700,000 Arabs and 56,000 Jews. In the 1917 Balfour Declaration, the British foreign secretary stated that the British government viewed with favour the establishment in Palestine of a "National Home "for the Jewish people [with the understanding that] nothing should be done to prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine . . . . N.B> It was then known as PALESTINE ] Neither partition nor statehood was mentioned as the means of accomplishing the National Home. Lord Curzon, who later succeeded Balfour as foreign secretary, wrote a memorandum expressing concern about what would become of the Arab inhabitants of Palestine who had occupied the country for the best part of 1,500 years and would not be content either to be expropriated for Jewish immigrants, or to act merely as hewers of wood and drawers of water to the latter." In 1937, the Peel Commission proposed a Palestine divided into an Arab state, AND a much smaller Jewish state (about 15%), and an international zone. The British Woodhead Commission considered several additional plans for partition. In 1938 the British government issued a policy statement declaring that "the political, administrative and financial difficulties involved in the proposal to create independent Arab and Jewish States inside Palestine are so great that this solution of the problem is impracticable". "The MacDonald White Paper of May 1939 declared that it was "not part of [the British government's] policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State" and sought to eliminate Jewish immigration to Palestine. The Jewish Agency hoped to persuade the British to restore Jewish immigration rights, and cooperated with the British in the war against Fascism. Aliyah Bet was organized to spirit Jews out of Nazi controlled Europe, despite the British prohibitions. The White Paper also led to the formation of Lehi, a small Jewish terrorist organization which opposed the British, and, at one time, sought to make an agreement with the Nazis[/B Zionist collaboration with Nazis , is well documented NOT BY ARABs "anti-semites but by Anti-Zionist JEWS. tata.. "
I see, so the Palestinians have been "invading" for over 2000 years? Interesting. Remind us how long Israel has been in existence. Oh, and I think some evidence of Palestinians "ethnically cleansing" Israelis might be in order, don't you?
No; the "rules" clearly state that acquisition of land through war is illegal. These are international laws-the same laws Israel agreed to abide by when they signed the United Nations Charter, and which they have been in violation of for decades. I agree with Marlowe; go learn. Always happy to educate right-wing Americans.
1) Quite right it was a League of Nations Mandate - NOT part of the one time British Empire. As it more often as NOT happened - British Govt _ soldiers land in $hit - caught in cross fire, being shot at from all sides. 2) British govt/Foreign Office etc. , had an impossible task in trying to please/satisfy both Jews + non-Jewish Palestinians, in spite of making every effort to do so. Let's not forget that "The path to Hell is paved with good intentions." More applicable to the Middle East ZIONIST JEWS,Israel/Palestine conflicts , than any other people's/ region's conflicts . ...
and Arabs & Muslims collaborated with Nazis. there were even two whole Muslim Nazi SS units, created by the Palestinian Mufti.
Ah ! the Mufti - sorry to have to tell you - Ehem - NO ! its my pleasure to tell you that , A) Apart from the fact that the Mufti was at first friendly towards who he viewed as his Jewish cousins , but later saw through their deception . The Mufti was not elected or supported by PALESTINIANS - he was APPOINTED BY SIR HERBERT SAMUEL A JEW. .The Mufti was also an incompetent reactionary who was driven into his anti-Semitism by the Zionists. It was Zionism itself, in its blatant attempt to turn Palestine from an Arab land into a Jewish state, and then use it for the yet further exploitation of the Arab nation, that generated Palestinian Jew-hatred. Rabbi Yitzhak Hutner of Aguda Yisrael gave a perceptive explanation for the Palestinian's career. "It should be manifest, however, that until the great public pressures for the establishment of a Jewish state, the Mufti had no interest in the Jews of Warsaw, Budapest or Vilna. Once the Jews of Europe became a threat to the Mufti because of their imminent influx into the Holy Land, the Mufti in turn became for them the Malekh Hamoves --the incarnation of the Angel of Death. Years ago, it was still easy to find old residents of Yerushalayim who remembered the cordial relations they had maintained with the Mufti in the years before the impending creation of a Jewish State. Once the looming reality of the State of Israel was before him, the Mufti then recognised Zionist Jews as the enemy This shameful episode, where the founders and early leaders of the State were clearly a factor in the destruction of many Jews, has been completely suppressed and expunged from the record. However If the Mufti's collaboration with the dictators cannot be justified, it becomes absolutely impossible to rationalse the Haganah's offers to spy for the Nazis. Given the outcry against the Ha'avara and the servile posture of the ZVfD, it seems certain that, at the very least, a signiflcant minonty of the WZO would have voted with their feet had they known of the Haganah's subterranean betrayal. IMO - there were far worst deeds by Jews who collaborated with Nazis - Kapos etc., than whatever the Mufti did apparent mainly directed against Communism/ + Stalin's Jews in the Balkans While on the other hand lets not ignore : Muslims Who Saved Jews During World War II” Now On Exhibit in NYC Memory fails us, art lives on, like little frozen moments or time capsules that speak to our eyes rather than our ears. Where words fall apart, images live on, taking on their own lives without the need to decode or translate or even define. And sometimes the narrative of human courage and dignity, often overlooked in the face of tragedies and vice, are best told as they are today: captured vignettes, documented moments, preserved portraits that, when strung together, tell us the histories we crave to hear, but feel unprivileged to impart. It’s been said that “the story of Albania’s Muslims, and what they did during World War II, is one of the great untold stories of the world.” In recent years, these private heroisms have been revitalized through the lens of Jewish-American photographer Norman H. Gershman and his collected images and oral histories that make up the traveling portrait exhibit called Besa: Muslims Who Saved Jews During World War II, now currently on display in New York’s Soho Photo Gallery until January 29th. The story is quite an extraordinary one. When Hitler’s troops began invading the Balkan States in the early 1940s, Muslims across Albania took an estimated 2,000 Jewish refugees into their homes en masse and welcomed them not as refugees, but as guests[/B]. They disguised these Jews as Muslims, took them to mosque, called them Muslim names, gave them Muslim passports, hid them when they needed to, and then ferried them to inaccessible mountain hamlets. “In fact, Albania is the only Nazi-occupied country that sheltered Jews,” says Gershman. The Jewish population in Albania grew by ten-fold during World War II, and it became the only country in occupied Europe to have more Jews at the end of the war than at the beginning. Records from the International School for Holocaust Studies show that not one Albanian Jew or any of the other thousands of refugees were given up to the Nazis by Albanian Muslims. “They did this in the name of their religion,” Gershman said. “They absolutely had no prejudice what so ever.” That is because these Muslims held themselves accountable to what Albanians call Besa, which is still upheld as the highest ethical code in the country. “Besa is a code of honor deeply rooted in Albanian culture and incorporated in the faith of Albanian Muslims,” the gallery explained in the show’s press release. “It dictates a moral behavior so absolute that non-adherence brings shame and dishonor to oneself and one’s family. Besa demands that one take responsibility for the lives of others in their time of need. This Islamic behavior of compassion and mercy celebrates the sanctity of life and a view of the other- the stranger- as one’s own close family member.” “Most remarkably, this was all done with the consent and support of the entire country. Thousands of Jews, hidden in plain sight- everyone knew- and no one told.” And no one told for a long time “because of the shutters that went down on Albania so soon after 1945 and the draconian Communist regime,” Holocaust historian Deborah Dwork told Jim Axelrod on CBS’s Sunday Morning. “For the next half century, Albania was completely cut off from everyone, even from other Communist regime countries. And by the time the shutters lifted, what happened half a century ago was not so urgent as people’s everyday needs right then and there.” “When I first learned of the World War II rescue of Jews in Muslim Albania and Kosovo, my reaction was visceral,” Gershman said, who learned about the story from a member of Israel’s Yad Vashem, a memorial dedicated to Jewish victims of the Holocaust. “Muslims who saved Jews? I must record this forgotten event with my camera and tell the story through the various family histories I was to meet. As a Jew and a Sufi, my spiritual connect with the beauty of Islam and Judaism is seamless.” Over a five-year period that began in 2002, Gershman traveled to Albania to document these surviving Muslim families and collect their stories, both through pictures and words. A man who worked for the Albania-Israel Friendship Society carried a small notebook with the names and addresses of these Muslim families, and with that, an interpreter, a driver and an assistant, Gershman crisscrossed the country, finding these families in cities, villages, even at the end of gravel roads. Yad Vashem knew of 63 families on record, but Gershman’s trek led him to more than 150. “I travelled all through Albania and Kosovo where I met the rescuer’s children, who are in their sixties or even older, the rescuers’ widows, and in some cases the rescuer himself.” He took their portraits and began with the same question: What is your story? “I asked them, ‘Why did you do this? What was in the Quar’an that you did this?’ They would only smile. Some of them said, ‘We have saved lives to go to paradise.” “There was no government conspiracy, no underground railroad, no organized resistance of any kind-” Gershman said, “only individual Albanians, acting alone, to save the lives of people whose lives were in immediate danger. My portraits of these people, and their stories, are meant to reflect their humanity, their dignity, their religious and moral convictions, and their quiet courage.” The saddest part of many of these families’ stories were the endings when Soviet communism cut off all communication between the Jews that fled to Israel or their native countries and the Muslims that stayed. Many of them ended with “… and then all contact was lost. We never heard from them again. Please help us find them so we can return items they left in our trust.” “I came back with pictures and stories that are different from the ones you read in the papers every day.” Together, the images say more than words can about courage, compassion, faith, and intercultural companionship. “They’re not perfect pictures,” he said. “But what’s important is for these people to reflect themselves.” It’s a message he believes needs to be understood now more than ever. “The paranoia that’s sweeping the country regarding Muslims is absolutely nuts,” he said. “I defy of anybody sees my pictures, especially in the West, and say that these people are militants or supporters of violence. These photographs show quite a different story.” It’s a story that has gone on to reach further than Gershman could alone. Since a 2006 endorsement from former President Jimmy Carter and its first showing at Yad Vashem in 2007, the world has seen more than 75 exhibitions of Besa, including at the United Nations. In 2008, Syracuse University Press published the images and stories in a photobook that shares the same name as the exhibition. When its showing at Soho Photo Gallery wraps up at the end of this month, it will travel to a new one in England’s House of Commons. Gershman attributes much of the show’s success to the fact that it contradicts popular misconceptions of not only Muslims, but also of intercultural relationships between Muslims and Jews. “The exhibitions,” a press release said, “were shot in black and white, fittingly chosen as each of the subjects and their families understood that when it comes to saving a life, there can be no shades of grey.” - See more at: http://frosina.org/740/#sthash.bA3vt9LR.dpu: I did not know that - did you ? btw I'm NOT a Muslim , just trying my best to be fair minded, trying to get facts from both sides of a conflict. tata...
prove it with evidence well, then Gershman is a LIAR as many Gentiles in Nazi-occupied countries sheltered their Jews, including Denmark, France, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Italy, Norway. you should really stop quoting liars.
Oh here, checkout what they run on TV: http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=427 You should see what their version of Sesame Street advocates. Let me know if you need a link. They invaded. Multiple times. They lost. Land was taken. They stopped invading. Win.
Plrease do not confuse military conquests with right to ownership. Don't you think It would be equal top an armed Bank Robber or other thief claiming legitimate right to his ill gotten gains.? There are several International conventions - treaties + UN Charter which stipulates /prohibits acquisition of land by military force Sorry . I've run out of patience to keep repeating the facts . . . Go Learn - Go read UN charter. tata.
under the laws of war at the time, Britain had every right to give Palestine to whomever they pleased.
sure its so. aqcuisition of territory by war was legal before the UN charter and the League of Nations were formed. go learn.
The Zionist entity "Israel" did not exist when League of Nations was formed, However , don't you think the inhabitants / the people who lived for for many centuries should have been consulted instead of figin foreigners draft documents determining who gets which part + how much of their land. ? Read and learn . ""The Balfour Declaration, in the words of Prof. H.M.V. Temperley, was a 'definite contract between the British Government and Jewry' (History of the Peace Conference in Paris, vol 6, p.173). The main consideration given by the Jewish people (represented at the time by the leaders of the Zionist Organization) was their help in bringing President Wilson to the aid of the Allies." (Great Britain, The Jews and Palestine, pp.3-6.) Thus, according to the documented statements of both parties the British betrayed their war time ally, the Arabs, in deference to Zionist manipulation in bringing the U.S. into the war on Britains side. The Balfour declaration was not written by British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour. It was written by American and English Zionists on both sides of the Atlantic. Many versions were prepared, discarded and rewritten before the final version was submitted to Lord Balfour to be issued in his name. English politicians, such as Lord Robert Cecil, made minor emendations to the letter which their Zionist "professors" wrote for them. The Covenant of the League of Nations which provided the international legal basis for establishing a British protectorate, or "Mandate" over Palestine was largely written by the Zionist agent, South African general Jan Smuts.[/B] The drafting of the language of the actual Mandate was written by U.S. Zionist and Harvard Law Professor Felix Frankfurter at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919. A MOVEMENT WHICH MADE FALSE PROMISES OF EQUAL TREATMENT The false promises of equal treatment for the Arabs are to be found in the Balfour declaration itself. This declaration was produced by many hands over many months with deception as its deliberate objective. "This too, memorable document is not so much a sentence of English as a verbal mosaic. Drafts for it traveled back and forth, within England or over the Ocean, to be scrutinized by some two score draftsmen half co-operating, half competing with one another, who erased this phrase or adopted that after much thought. At long last, out of the store of their rejections and of their acceptances the final miscellany was chosen, ratified and fixed. There never has been a proclamation longer prepared, more carefully produced, more consciously worded." Whatever is to be found in the Balfour Declaration was put into it deliberately. There are no accidents in that text. If there is any vagueness in it this is an intentional vagueness. "....this nationally issued and nationally endorsed document was nothing but a calmly planned piece of deception." (Palestine: The Reality, J.M.N. Jeffries, pp.) The entire Balfour Declaration cannot here be analyzed. A few illustrations of its deceptive character will suffice. "...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious nights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..." "At the time of the Balfour Declaration the population of Palestine was 90% Arab and 10% Jew. "Before this unpalatable reality, what did the framers of the Balfour Declaration do? By an altogether abject subterfuge, under colour of protecting Arab interests, they set out to conceal the fact that the Arabs to all intents constituted the population of the country. It called them the 'non-Jewish communities in Palestine'! It called the multitude the non-few; it called the 670,000 the non-60,000; out of a hundred it called the 91 the non-9. You might just as well call the British people 'the non-Continental communities in Great Britain'. It would be as suitable to define the mass of working men as 'the non-idling communities in the world,' or the healthy as the "non-bedridden elements amongst sleepers,' or the sane as 'the non-lunatic section of thinkers' - or the grass of the countryside as 'the non-dandelion portion of the pastures'." (ibid, pp. 177-178.) "The crux arrives with 'civil rights'. What are 'civil rights'? All turns on this point. If civil rights remain undefined it is only a mockery to guarantee them. To guarantee anything, and at the same time not to let anyone know what it is, that is Alice in Wonderland legislation. 'I guarantee your civil rights', said the White Queen to Alice in Palestineland. 'Oh, thank you!' said Alice, 'what are they, please?' 'I'm sure I can't tell you, my dear,' said the White Queen, 'but I'll guarantee very hard.'" (ibid, p.179) As soon as the Zionists set up shop in Palestine they made clear the real relationship of Jew to Arab. The formal government authority in Palestine, 1918-1920, was rested in the British Military Government. A competing, and in fact superior form of government existing side by side the British Military Government was the Zionist Commission. The attitude of the British Military Government and of the native Arab population was summed up by Sir Louis Bols: ---- "It will be recognized from the foregoing that my own authority and that of every department of my Administration is claimed or impinged upon by the Zionist Commission, and I am definitely of opinion that this state of affairs cannot continue without grave danger to the public peace and to the prejudice of my Administration." "It is no use saying to the Moslem and Christian elements of the population that our declaration as to the maintenance of the status quo on our entry into Jerusalem has been deserved. Facts witness otherwise: the introduction of the Hebrew tongue as an official language; the setting up of a Jewish judicature the whole fabric of Government of the Zionist Commission, of which they are well aware; the special traveling privileges to members of the Zionist Commission; these have firmly and absolutely convinced the non-Jewish elements of our partiality. On the other hand, the Zionist Commission accuses me and my officers of anti-Zionism. The situation is intolerable, and in justice to my officers and myself must be fairly faced." " This Administration has loyally earned out the wishes of His Majesty's Government, and has succeeded in so doing by strict adherence to the laws governing the conduct of the Military Occupant of Enemy Territory, but this has not satisfied the Zionists, who appear bent on committing the temporary Military Administration to a partialist policy before the issue of the Mandate. It is manifestly impossible to please partisans who politically claim nothing more than a "National Home", but in reality will be satisfied with nothing less than a Jewish State and all that it politically implies." "I recommend therefore, in the interests of peace, of development, of the Zionists themselves, that the Zionist Commission in Palestine be abolished." (ibid,p.359) ================= Sir Louis Jean Bols (1867-1930) served as Edmund Allenby's Chief of Staff on both Western and Palestine Fronts during World War One. He served as Jerusalem's military governor from June 1919 until July 1920. more later .
Esh Kodesh Spokesman Reveals Truth Of Kusra Clash What price tag here is a true report. ~by Yoni Kempinski, Ari Yashar Aron Katzov, spokesman of the Samarian community Esh Kodesh, spoke to Arutz Sheva Friday about the attempted lynching of 25 Jewish residents of the region by Arab residents of Kusra this Tuesday. His testimony reveals how IDF action was partially responsible for bringing about the attack. Katzov reports that despite claims to the contrary in the media, which relied on Arab sources saying the Jews had entered Kusra to carry out "price tag" vandalism, the Jews were in fact touring the hills far from the Arab village when they were attacked. As they were near the ruins of a village built by Shimon Bar-Giora over 2,000 years ago, Katzov relates that Arabs surrounded them on trucks, and during a harrowing 2 hours attacked and chased them around the hills towards the village, trying to kill them. The version of events confirms the testimony of Pinhasi Brown, one of the men who was attacked, who said "we left at midday from Esh Kodesh to the direction of the Hayovel neighborhood in Eli, and on the way we stopped in ancient Khirba." Due to the media spin of the event, the attacked Jews have been villified as "price tag" vandals, as extreme left group Peace Now called for the demolition of Esh Kodesh following the attack. Attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir previously slammed the media "slander" of the Jews. Criticism has come from the right as well. Dani Dayan, the chief foreign envoy for the Yesha Council, attacked the men for being what he called "fools" in entering Kusra, which Katzov points out they never did. The Esh Kodesh spokesmen said he had spoken to one of the right-wing leaders who criticized the group, and after explaining the event was told "if i had known what really happened I would not have said what I said." Origins of the attack - IDF destruction of Jewish land Katzov confirmed reports that the origins of the Arab attack appear to lie in the destruction of Jewish vineyards earlier in the day. "The army came and uprooted about 20 dunam, a couple hundred olive trees that were about 6 years old and gave fruit," reported Katzov, himself an officer in the IDF reserves. The destruction came despite the fact that "the army and the courts already ruled that it's not Palestinian land." The reason for the destruction is the "disruptive use order," which Katzov calls a "weird law." Only in Judea and Samaria "one person, the legal adviser of a part in the army, can decide on any part of land that belongs to Jews, and only Jews, to uproot, even if there's no one else that says it's their land," explains Katzov, adding that they weren't even informed of the decision before the destruction. Katzov reports that after every destruction emboldened Arabs come to attack Jewish property, bragging on Facebook that the army is giving them the land. Katzov recalls having to defend the fence of his vineyard from one such attack. Residents of Esh Kodesh have reported previous attacks originating in Kusra, including a mob attack in 2012 in which hundreds of Arab men surrounded the village screaming "slaughter the Jews." Tags: Lynchings, Esh Kodesh, Kusra, Aron Katzov, disruptive use order
British Govt had no legitimate right to create a Jewish Homeland " that's why the problem was passed over to UN - where after considerable amount of skulduggery UNGA non-binding Res 181 was PROPOSED subject to further negation by UN Envoy Count Bernadotte who was promptly murdered by Zionist terrorists when they learn his report was NOT entirely in the Jews favour. Don't forget the defeat of Turkish army by Britain was with considerable military assistance from Arabs . Jews played no part in British military success in Palestine. Jews served in The Zion Mule Corpse a detachment for mule transport on another sector of the Ottoman front . =====
sure they did. there was nothing illegal about the Palestine Mandate nor its stipulation that a Jewish homeland in palestine be created. that's why it stood the test of time from 1922-1947.
