Professor Raoult Releases Results of New Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Study on 1061 Patients

Funny, no LW comments on this post.

 

I bet some Democratic leaders are furious that there won't be 200k plus deaths. Makes this fall's election harder for them.

 

Those sold out to Big Pharma couldn't be less excited.

Other Good News: Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment. It’s an expensive, patented drug so expect more enthusiasm in some quarters than for generic, off-patent drugs like hydroxychloroquine.

A Chicago hospital treating severe Covid-19 patients with Gilead Sciences’ antiviral medicine remdesivir in a closely watched clinical trial is seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with nearly all patients discharged in less than a week.

 

And only two of the patients died... 2 out of 19...

As for me, I'm glad 17 lived and, if the doctors and the patients think the 17 did better, or did the same but faster, I'm all for it.. I'm waiting, though, for the left-wing attack on remdesivir.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/03/28/experimental-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-trump-lauded-again-available/2934583001/

Notice the article says Trump promoted remdesivir 10 days ago - on March 28.. That means March 18; the same day he mentioned hydroxychloroquine - though, technically, it was March 19 when he mentioned both.

The following is published by the World Health Organization on March 13:

https://www.who.int/blueprint/priority-diseases/key-action/RD-Blueprint-expert-group-on-CQ-call-Mar-13-2020.pdf

This was among many comments about chloroquine discussing positive and negative results up to then but, still, the conclusion of the WHO, 6 days before Trump ever mentioned it, was to use hydroxychloroquine. Sine it took some time to create and publish the WHO paper, it is clear that there was developing knowledge and experience happening long before Trump mentioned it. It was already being accepted as potentially helpful, and yet safe, by the medical community.

 

Hard to believe that anybody on the face of Earth would not root for these drugs to work. But it seems like we have some on this very forum because...Trump....and no other reason at all.

 

Who "might die"? How do you predetermine that?

Is the thought of a Trump campaign ad where he says "I told you so and saved many lives" worse to you than a drug that has promise in treating this virus so we can perhaps open up the world again?

 

Bullshit. I'm all for whatever works. Hydroxy is being used...and obviously the results haven't been impressive

 

Everybody wants these drugs to work, but Trumpers want people to die taking them and then have their relatives and friends say they worked anyway to make Trump feel better. If they don't work, and it appears they don't when tested like they should be, they don't. Trump can't just bullshit and bully the Corona to go away. Lies won't work here.

 

Sick person A takes drug. If person A dies no one is saying the drug "worked anyways". Where are you pulling that info from?

And what do you mean they do not appear to be working "if they are tested like they should be" ? Where are your pulling that info from?

And yes, there are people who do not want these drugs to work because they know Trump will chest beat about it all the way too election day if they do.

 

I responded

Do you want me to do so again?

Do you want me to post of the 94 year old here that survived it?

 

No but the research quoted in the OP did not show a significant benefit from the drug

 

They have for some. Isn't the argument usually something like, "if it helps save just one life..."?

 

The odds are people in the hospital are more likely to die than people that have a mild case.
If it really saved some lives that would be great, but it wouldn't change the fact that it was not a proper test. Two different things.
But having said that do you feel bad about the people that have died because of induced heart problems from this drug?

 

“A good clinical outcome and virological cure was obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%).”

I guess we have a different opinion of what significant is defined as...

 

Gilead science has revoked the claim for “orphan drug” status

https://www.gilead.com/news-and-pre...to-rescind-remdesivir-orphan-drug-designation

 

No on the heart problem people. Let them choose rather to risk this medication or take their chances without it if there are serious side effects. That is a choice people have to make all the time. You can watch any of those medication TV ads we all see and know how many side effects people have to risk if they choose to take whatever medication they are trying to sell.

And the OP link was conducted in a hospital from what I read. So the “test” were conducted on people “who might die” as they were hospitalized or at the very least sick enough to go to the hospital.

 

We certainly do
No randomised control
Where is the criteria for inclusion in his study - were all participants healthy 18 year olds?
His rate of recovery matches quite closely, the normal recovery from the disease

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeli...latest-hydroxychloroquine-data-as-of-april-11
https://theprint.in/world/french-re...is-caught-in-hope-vs-hype-controversy/399593/

 

Yeah they were all healthy 18 years olds….most likely the bulk of them were from the French Olympic team. They have some free time so why not go be part of a study they can fake during a pandemic. And I'm sure with all the free time that doctor has on his hands in France at a hospital during this pandemic he is just messing around playing games because he is bored.

 

Well since he has omitted the control group usual for a study like this it is possible

 

And in other news 8 hundred thousand other infected people survived without any drugs

 

WHO have been coordinating studies across the world for months on various different drugs under clinical trials. You've heard of WHO, yea, the organisation that Trump had ridiculed. But as it's 1984, little doubt, Trump supporters will be later saying that Trump always supported WHO

 

You assume it is "healthy 18 year olds" as opposed to people who are sick with this virus. Brilliant.

How about we cut a few corners in a effort to speed this thing along as the entire world is currently closed. While he is doing something to try and save lives, you hack away with silly accusations on your keyboard. Awesome.

 

I was never a big fan. Had a couple of OK songs but overall never really cared for them. I do not have anything of theirs on vinyl.

 

Cause this virus is not nearly as deadly as some have indicated it to be. Sound familiar?

But for the most at risk a drug might just save their life so perhaps worth the effort to find one...

And it would help reopen the world quicker, I mean if that kind of thing matters too you....

 

40,000 dead in three weeks during a lockdown is "not nearly as deadly..." . ?
So what dosage of the drug would you recommend to be used in this experiment? 1000ug per day, 50ug per day, 500ug per day etc? What the hell, just give a random dose?

When did effort stop to find one? Real clinical studies are being coordinated all around the world, but of course, in Trumpland there is only one unproven drug that must be given to everyone using any dosage determined on the whim, so what if they die because the dose is wrong using a drug that wouldn't work anyway, we'll just write if of as saying the patient was going to die anyway.