Progressive hypocrisy - wealth inequality vs. eco-fascism

How do progressives align themselves with radical anti-human environmentalists? You do realize that these green-worshipers want to limit consumerism to extraordinary extents, correct? Do you think that they want more wealth equality, thus more consumerism, pollution, and earth destruction? The answer is no.

More specifically, the elitist earth-firsters have shown a general disdain for humanity, with wide ranging quotes about how to kill off the population and limit 3rd world nations from developing. They don't care about the poor, they would prefer you just die. Who do you find always speaking of eugenics and saying that humans are a cancer on the earth? The eco-fascists. So the question is, how can you whine about corporations and wealth inequality when a large collection of your leaders wish to destroy industry and technology, if not the human race itself?

 

Just so you know, most environmentally conscious people aren't anti-human.

Also, supporting initiatives like making contraception easier to access in the 3rd World isn't "anti-human."

I don't know of many "eco-fascists" that want to limit the 3rd World's development, but many people do want to limit their pollution, in addition to limiting our own.

And another thing... consumption isn't a zero-sum thing completely... Oftentimes, cleaner living just means more efficient consumption, not just less.

 

Because environmentalism isn't inherently anti-human. In fact, it is the only way to ensure survival for coming generations. Some people enjoy walking through the woods, and seeing birds in the sky or deer in the distance. They don't want to see a world of smoke stacks and parking lots which it is quickly becoming.

There is nothing inherently great about excessive consumerism. In fact, I would say that it plagues the American population. People are obsessed with buying junk they don't need covered in eight different kinds of plastic wrap. But even so, your premise is flawed, because most environmentalists "vote with their wallet" by buying organic foods and environmentally friendly products. The question is: should we purposefully destroy the earth because it is more profitable than being efficient and clean? If you say yes, then you might be the anti-human because you are accepting profit today, knowing that will leave behind a terrible legacy for the people of tomorrow -- who will not be able to exploit the environment for profit and will not have the resources (as they have been ravaged) to survive.

Yes this is a dilemma. The earth is becoming overpopulated. If the rest of the world lived anything like an American lifestyle, we would suck the entire planet dry of resources in less than a decade. Nevertheless, most hardcore environmentalists I know would hardly advocate such a stance.

You are confusing things. There actually is a group that self-identifies as eco-fascists, but they are a pretty small group. There are also small groups that want to destroy civilization and return to a primitive lifestyle. The vast majority of environmentalists believe in a more modest approach of sustainable living and green technology.

 

Interesting question.

I never think of myself as anti-technology, or anti-human. I think industry needs some reins, but industry and technology aren't really the same thing. I think that technology creates a better standard of living which in turn lowers the birth rate, which means less overpopulation.

 

This is essentially what I'm talking about. Your average American consumption is off the charts, and yet the democrats/progressives always complain that the lower classes of people do not have enough money (to do what but increase their consumption?)

I am talking about the hypocrisy between their cries for more consumption, all the while aligning themselves with or always defending extreme environmentalist groups. It is the elitist environmentalists who are leading their agenda afterall, not the common democrat. Maybe they should draw a line between themselves and these people:

 

Advocating for poor and middle class people to not be dirt poor is not calling for more consumption, it's just humanitarian.

 

Gubmint workers startin' out at higher salaries these days...

Federal workers starting at much higher pay than in past
26 Dec.`11 - Newly hired federal workers are starting at much higher salaries than those who did the same jobs in the past, a lift that has elevated the salaries of scientists and custodians alike.

 

The last time I looked, there were no members of the "green party" elected into any position that would grant much if any leadership, so who, in pretell, are these "leaders" you speak of?

 

More Americans See Conflict Between Rich & Poor...

Rising Share of Americans See Conflict Between Rich and Poor
January 11, 2012 - The Occupy Wall Street movement no longer occupies Wall Street, but the issue of class conflict has captured a growing share of the national consciousness. A new Pew Research Center survey of 2,048 adults finds that about two-thirds of the public (66%) believes there are “very strong” or “strong” conflicts between the rich and the poor—an increase of 19 percentage points since 2009.

 

I agree. there is so much hypocrisy in this world. just like the shortest ladies find the need to wear the highest heels, the biggest sinners need to hide behind religions to pretend to be good, and so on...

 

But only so many people can be middle class. We can't all be middle class, the same way we can't all be rich.

You have to have certain prerequisites to reach middle class status and in a globalized economy with labor competition being the worst it has ever been, first world economies may not be able to sustain the same amount of middle class persons that they once were able too.

The middle class is shrinking in America primarily becuase the middle classes in other nations are growing, and the globalized economy can only support so many middle class individuals.

Achieving a middle class quality of life will only increase in difficulty in perpetuity and what is the solution of the left? Destroy the prosperity of those who achieve the middle class in a misguided "humanitarianism" that leaves everyone poorer.

Most Americans need to accept that being poor by first world standards is still far better than being middle class in most of the rest of the world and just be grateful they have what they have.