The most prominent of the modern feminists were Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, and Bella Abzug. Interestingly, all three came from one of the most sexually repressive religions on Earth: Judaism. 'A Hole in the Sheet' by Evelyn Kaye, who grew up in an Orthodox home, illustrates the demeaning and often degraded position of women in the Jewish faith and the hatred toward Gentiles outside of it. She discusses the Bar Mitzvah and the completely ascendant role of the male and writes the following: During the prayers which a Jewish man recites every morning are a series of blessings, which include: "Thank you, Lord, for not making me a non-Jew, for not making me a slave, for not making me a woman." The Talmud often characterizes women as unclean, whores, and as deceitful, lower beings. It even has long passages that justify adult males having sexual relatins with little girls. Women are segregated in the Orthodox synagogue. Women are almost as reviled as Gentiles. Evelyn Kaye refers: Blessed be thou...who has not made me a goy...who has not made me a slave. Judah Ben Ilai When a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this [three years old], it is as if one puts the finger into the eye, tears come to the eye, tears come to the eye....again and again but eyesight return, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years. (Kethuboth 11b) A maiden aged three years and one day may be acquired in marriage by coition (Sanhedin 55b and 69a-69b). Yet the Jewish high priestesses of women's liberation have made few inroads in reforming those inequities. It is ironic that women from the religious culture having the most demeaning attitude toward women, should focus their efforts on promoting a sexual revolution among those of European descent. In spite of the wide difference between WHITE and black race in the status and well-being of women, the feminist movement has aligned itself with black "civil rights objectives. They've been told that the "WHITE male patriarchy" is the enemy, causing resentments and conflicts between the sexes that could prove fatal for our people unless repaired. Many women's groups openly campaign for Jewish and Black causes, blessed by accolades of the Jewish high priestesses of feminism. But when WHITE women form organizations excusively for the advancement of our European and Christian heritage, they face condemnation. Just wanted to let the good feminists and their backers here know that their feminist movement was and still is a creation of jewish women. You modern day feminists must be so proud of your heritage and or of your movement.
I'll ignore the racist crap for a moment and just say that those who suffer most from an injustice are more likely to speak out against it first. You have failed to raise any point against radical feminism here.
I believe that they are. I know I am proud of them. Otherwise they would still being beaten and raped by their bigotted, racist male overlords.
Any and all racist crap that you've chosen to ignore comes from the teachings of these jewish feminists be it from their Tora or from their Talmud. And I've failed to rasie any point against radical feminism here? LMFAO! Okay pal, keep those blinders firmly in place.
OMG, just like the lefty before you--there seems to be little hope that you'll ever recognize the sheer hate, the misdeeds and the sordid history of these feminists.
Not quite, but if you were go back and read it again you'll see that Evelyn Kaye gives her take on growing up as an orthodox jew and just what she witnessed and lived through as a girl. You do realize that 'feminisim' is the total creation of liberal/radical/militant jewish women, don't you? What more proof would you need?
You are not making a lick of sense here. You maunder on for about a page about how much it sucks to grow up female and Jewish, and point out that it is women who grew up female and Jewish who started the feminist movement. Then you make snide remarks about how women should feel about following these abused Jewish women. We know that you intended to make this into another rant about how bad it is to be feminist. You appear to be saying that they should be ashamed to follow Jewish women who have kicked the sides out of the box and defined themselves. We fail to grasp where youhave made any such point. Women should be proud to follow women who have escaped an abused life and who show other women how to escape. I cannot think of any reason why they should not. Like I said, you are not making a lick of sense here, but I have come to expect that. The only way that any of the dreck that you spattered about in your OP makes any sense is if you believe that women were not in many ways abused in Aryan, Christian society, and are thus already in a better place than that to which these mold-break Jewish women are trying to lead them. This would, of course, be something that only a drooling racist missogynist thinks.
What is it about Feminism that you hate Lib? Women being able to vote? Women being able to own property in their own right? Women being able to decide whether or not to have sex with a man? Women not being considered property? Women allowed to go around unveiled? Women being able to control whether she has a baby or not? Women being able to get divorced without consent from her husband? Women being able to hold political office? Women being able to go to college? Women being in positions of authority? Or maybe you just can't stand any of the 'feminism' that I have listed above- or any form of women being considered socially and legally the equals of men.
I don't know much about feminist theory but I'm pretty sure it's been around longer than 40 or 50 years. It's probably been around as long as there's been a patriarchy I suppose. As for the link with Jewish ultra-Orthodoxy, not sure about it. Again don't know much about Judaism but I do know it isn't monolithic and while there may be ultra-conservatives there are also progressives and of course secular Jews. Which brings me to a Jewish joke I read in the paper at the weekend - "There are three Jews travelling in a train and into their cabin come three Nazi soldiers," she begins. " 'You Jews are said to be very intelligent,' says one soldier to the group, 'so can you tell me your secret.' 'It's all in the diet,' replies one of the Jews. 'Specifically the consumption of herring heads. Look here are three herring heads, which I can sell you for three pfennigs.' "The Nazis retire to their cabin to consume the herring heads. Minutes later there is a knock at the door of the Jews' cabin. One of the Nazis steps inside: 'You just sold me three herrings heads for three pfennigs," he says, swallowing his last mouthful. "But at the market I can get three whole herrings for that price.' 'See,' one of the Jews says to the others. 'It works already.' "
The Orthodox Jewish women would be the most likely to be radicals because they comer from a background of more severe repression. Harriet Tubman once said "I could have freed a lot more if they knowed they were slaves." It just takes longer to realize that you are being oppressed if nobody points it out.
The truth is, SOME Jews treat women like (*)(*)(*)(*). Some Muslims do so and many non Jews and non Muslims do so.
I certainly don't want to answer for lib, but I would like a chance to answer this. first, NONE of what you listed. 2ndly, this: their ugly ugly attitudes their ugly hate and sexism their ugly lies their promotion of all of their ugliness to the next generation and last but not least, their right to breathe oxygen enuff?
Okay- so you really aren't against feminism- you just hate women who are feminists and promote femism Because as you say- you are for all of the feminist issues- you just hate feminists.
Blah blah blah- your usual spiel about how you hate, hate, hate anything you dont' agree with. Meanwhile- I found your explanations of why you have a real problem with allowing women to be in positions of authority, or to have birth control, about how you really aren't too cool with women being able to be elected, and only want 'right thinking women' to be able to vote. Frankly your answers were pretty illuminating. Please share them with all the women in your life, if there are any.
It does not appear Libhater meant to raise a point against Radical Feminosity, but rather to explain it to which it appears there are some solid points. Pendulum swings are balanced, so it makes sense that these females swung back as severely as they were pushed. I haven't heard about Bella Abzug since I was a kid. She was a staple of NYC politics. Scarier than Lugosi.
